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 Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-11 23:09

I'm sure Kalman Opperman would have agreed that my Ridenour clarinet sucked and that I sounded so much better on my R13. He wouldn't sound great on the Ridenour.
Kinder, if I don't know how to play clarinet, then why do I sound like the pros on my R13. You keep ignoring this. And why should I blame myself? None of this is my fault. Lol. I was a very receptive student in high school.



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2025-11-11 23:34

When computers perform mission critical tasks, in addition to there being humans to back up their control, these computers are often configured to continually test one another out for potential problems in their logic processors.

But no single computer in such designs tests its own logic circuits. This is because....and you should slow down reading the following paradox:

the very flaw in a computer's logic processor can effect it's ability to detect the very flaw in its logic processor.

In fact when one computer detects a problem with another in such a network, the issue is brought to bear for duplication by other computers in the network, for computer peer based consensus determination if a problem exists, whereby if confirmed, the troublesome computer is taking offline by the others and humans are notified to get the problem addressed.

I'll leave it to the reader to apply these thoughts to the OP. He doesn't seem to get that his self assessed view of his playing needs replication by others.

As for Kal, if there was an issue with your instrument he'd fix it, then play it flawlessly and hand it back to you.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-11 23:40

OmniClarinet314 wrote:

> I'm sure Kalman Opperman would have agreed that my Ridenour
> clarinet sucked and that I sounded so much better on my R13. He
> wouldn't sound great on the Ridenour.
> Kinder, if I don't know how to play clarinet, then why do I
> sound like the pros on my R13. You keep ignoring this. And why
> should I blame myself? None of this is my fault. Lol. I was a
> very receptive student in high school.
>

>
> Post Edited (2025-11-11 23:10)

Post a video. All we have is your word. I still believe you're deluded and you hide behind anonymity. I challenge you because you're a troll and won't ever expose your lack of skill because you're afraid that you really do suck - despite your life circumstances and your teacher refusing to even play your clarinet to trouble-shoot it.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: donald 
Date:   2025-11-11 23:44

It's sentences like "I sound like a pro on the R13 but not on the Ridenour" that don't inspire any faith in your judgement. I'm a pro, and I can sound like a pro on a plastic Vito if I need to. I sat through an opera in Paris where I knew the Principal clarinet was playing the whole thing (with lots of solos) on a plastic Amati Student clarinet... no one else in the audience noticed him "not sounding like a pro" because... well, a pro can sound like a pro so long as the instrument is "set up" well.
It's unclear why you have dragged Kal into this- he's been gone a long time, but would not have appreciated that.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: PutnamFellow161 
Date:   2025-11-11 23:44

SecondTry wrote:

> When computers perform mission critical tasks, in addition to
> there being humans to back up their control, these computers
> are often configured to continually test one another out for
> potential problems in their logic processors.
>
> But no single computer in such designs tests its own logic
> circuits. This is because....and you should slow down reading
> the following paradox:
>
> the very flaw in a computer's logic processor can effect it's
> ability to detect the very flaw in its logic processor.
>
> In fact when one computer detects a problem with another in
> such a network, the issue is brought to bear for duplication by
> other computers in the network, for computer peer based
> consensus determination if a problem exists, whereby if
> confirmed, the troublesome computer is taking offline by the
> others and humans are notified to get the problem addressed.
>
> I'll leave it to the reader to apply these thoughts to the OP.
> He doesn't seem to get that his self assessed view of his
> playing needs replication by others.
>
> As for Kal, if there was an issue with your instrument he'd fix
> it, then play it flawlessly and hand it back to you.

Ridenour, stop defending your garbage instruments and blaming others.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-11 23:47

donald wrote:

> It's sentences like "I sound like a pro on the R13 but not on
> the Ridenour" that don't inspire any faith in your judgement.
> I'm a pro, and I can sound like a pro on a plastic Vito if I
> need to. I sat through an opera in Paris where I knew the
> Principal clarinet was playing the whole thing (with lots of
> solos) on a plastic Amati Student clarinet... no one else in
> the audience noticed him "not sounding like a pro" because...
> well, a pro can sound like a pro so long as the instrument is
> "set up" well.
> It's unclear why you have dragged Kal into this- he's been gone
> a long time, but would not have appreciated that.

I've seen people compliment others on their tone quality, but they sounded like crap. I don't think the audience would know what a good tone quality would sound like on the clarinet except for a few people.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:07

I don't think Kal would have done anything to fix my Ridenour clarinet, because I had it checked with a great repair technician back then and he found nothing wrong with it even though it was still garbage.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:16

Duplicate - sorry.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: kdk 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:17

Oh, for heaven's sake...!

Karl

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:17
Attachment:  Ridenour Open Challenge 1.png (117k)
Attachment:  Ridenour Open Challenge 2.png (128k)

You still have an open challenge from Ridenour himself. But you keep talking smack instead of proving yourself.

Are you more than just a troll? Prove it.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:21
Attachment:  Ridenour Open Challenge 3.png (150k)

One more:

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:23
Attachment:  Ridenour Open Challenge 4.png (245k)

Last one:

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:34

Should I accept a challenge from someone who talks trash about Buffet and Selmer? And already ridiculed me before I posted a video?



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:34

donald wrote:


> It's unclear why you have dragged Kal into this- he's been gone
> a long time, but would not have appreciated that.

Then let me explain and say that it was a testament to his teaching that he and his students would concur with (among other sources ISBN 978-1-4911-5098-6).

I brought Kal up because he had no wiggle room for students focusing on anything more or less than the things they needed to do to improve as players.

And that more than anything was hard and extended practice.

Good equipment was important to him, no doubt. But it was understood that we all had to deal with the imperfection of the instrument, and what any one reed could deliver, and rise above that with the talent that came from hard work, not complaining or seeking to assign blame where it didn't belong.

OmniClarinet314: let's recap. I stated that I play an R13. I've conceded it a better instrument *for me* that my "A" clarinet from Ridenour, which I too like very much.

And you think these are the words of someone from the RCP organization all while you offer no proof (not that I think you are) that you aren't somehow financially connected with a competitor?

See my point about the faulty logic processor. The "other computers" in my metaphor prior are the other posters of this thread finding equally suspect flaws in your story.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:35

OmniClarinet314 wrote:

> Should I accept a challenge from someone who talks trash about
> Buffet and Selmer? And already ridiculed me before I posted a
> video?
>

>
> Post Edited (2025-11-12 00:34)

You started it. You posted your claims.

Are you going to finish it and prove yourself or not?

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:37

I practiced a lot every day, and I still wasn't satisfied with my tone quality. I wonder why. If that was what Kal thought, then he wouldn't have been able to help me.



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:39

David H. Kinder wrote:

> OmniClarinet314 wrote:
>
> > Should I accept a challenge from someone who talks trash
> about
> > Buffet and Selmer? And already ridiculed me before I posted a
> > video?
> >
>
> >
> > Post Edited (2025-11-12 00:34)
>
> You started it. You posted your claims.
>
> Are you going to finish it and prove yourself or not?
>

Ridenour started it by making bad clarinets and posting misleading information/reviews on his website.



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:40

Circular argument. No intellectual integrity or credibility... but good at generating noise.

Troll.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:42

Nothing wrong with my logic. You're the one who supports Ridenour.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:43

Deflection.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 00:49

See, the difference is that SecondTry is showing preferences, not a downright vindication against the instrument.

You... have a vendetta and can't let go.

You remind me of people who leave a church... but keep attacking it.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 01:08

I can't let go of the fact that I could have made first chair all-state in high school. Instead I had to go through humiliation and it makes me so mad to see people like Ridenour saying that expensive clarinets are unnecessary.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2025-11-12 01:18

If every accusation you've made of a single poor Ridenour instrument were true...

...and lord knows that so many aspects of your statements leave people suspect

...your attacks of RCP are mean spirited and uncalled for.

Someday you may work your tail off at some job you do well and diligently. 95% of your clients may like you. 40% may even love you.

Then along comes the client you can't please, who by the way has quite the propensity to trash you in social media.

Do be a big boy when that happens.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 01:25

OmniClarinet314 wrote:

> I can't let go of the fact that I could have made first chair
> all-state in high school. Instead I had to go through
> humiliation and it makes me so mad to see people like Ridenour
> saying that expensive clarinets are unnecessary.

I doubt it. You can't go back in time to show your skills back then, so show off your skills today. Show us how much better you are now that you have a 'real' clarinet.

But you won't because you're an anonymous coward and troll.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 01:28

Considering how much of a troll you are, I think that your bad attitude has benefited the clarinet community because you can't qualify for whatever jobs are out there. Poor attitude and poor musicianship... you probably can't hold down any kind of job, regardless of your 'skills'.

Oh and you poo-poo any non-major orchestral job anyway, but I bet you'd love to have one to justify your experience and 'skills'.

https://www.earspasm.com/blogs/blog/just-how-hard-is-it-to-make-a-living-as-a-professional-clarinetist

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 01:34

Typical Ridenour supporter lol! Always projecting.

Was it my fault that kids with $10k clarinets were trashing on me for not making state on a sub-$1k piece of crap? Very poor sportsmanship.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 01:36

SecondTry wrote:

> If every accusation you've made of a single poor Ridenour
> instrument were true...
>
> ...and lord knows that so many aspects of your statements leave
> people suspect
>
> ...your attacks of RCP are mean spirited and uncalled for.
>
> Someday you may work your tail off at some job you do well and
> diligently. 95% of your clients may like you. 40% may even
> love you.
>
> Then along comes the client you can't please, who by the way
> has quite the propensity to trash you in social media.
>
> Do be a big boy when that happens.

Ridenour has many people who don't like his clarinets. I'm with the majority here. A bad product is a bad product.



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 01:41

OmniClarinet314 wrote:

> Typical Ridenour supporter lol! Always projecting.
>
> Was it my fault that kids with $10k clarinets were trashing on
> me for not making state on a sub-$1k piece of crap? Very poor
> sportsmanship.

Victimization - again. Now you blame Ridenour for the behavior of others against you? Is everything Ridenour's fault? What do the voices in your head say?

Btw, I'm not projecting. I'm magifying yourself back to you.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 01:45

Yes. If his clarinets were as good or better than an R13 as advertised, I wouldn't have had to endure this garbage. My first clarinet teacher is also to blame for recommending me a bad clarinet.



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 01:46

Actually, you ARE a victim.

You are a victim of the psychology of clarinet branding, artist endorsement, and buying into the propaganda.

When you're not "in the circle", you want to be in that circle. You believe that whatever you have to do to get in that circle will validate you.

It's powerful psychological branding that is reinforced by pricing premiums, artist endorsements, instrument packaging & images. Yes, even the OEM cases reinforce this to show how the manufacturer treats their offering.

The problem is... you don't see it and you can't recognize it for what it is. Therefore, until you can see it, you are INCAPABLE of thinking differently because it's the same as everyone else you believe you know.

So yes. In that respect, you are a victim of marketing (and lack of discernable skills that you have yet to prove).

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 01:55

I'd say I was a victim of the BS saying that "instrument doesn't matter and that only the player matters". That's not a good thing to say to a high school student. My second clarinet teacher told me that to try to mask his own deficiencies in teaching and I believed it.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 02:08

Now we're getting somewhere!

The clarinet is a performance instrument and it needs to do exactly that: facilitate performance.

I'm not a teacher, but I have my own thoughts. My thinking is that the concept and player is 50% of the equation. The other 50% is the equipment you use to facilitate that concept.

The eternal question is: "Is it me? Or is it the instrument/equipment?"

And I go back and forth on it. I always ask if it's me because I'm not so full of myself to believe that I'm faultless. However, if it's the instrument or other equipment, I want to know so I can make adjustments to make it easier for me.

My own personal example: Ligatures.

Almost everyone who teaches the clarinet will say that the ligature doesn't affect much and is the LEAST important upgrade (compared to reeds, mouthpiece, etc.).

When I first got back into playing, I bought the Rovner Versa ligature. It was the 'evolution' (if you want to call it that) from the Rovner Eddie Daniels ligature and I wanted to start again from similar equipment I had in high school.

That ligature... has very high ratings on Amazon... but I could barely get that thing to work for me! I was playing in a concert soon at the time, so I got a Rovner Dark ligature just to have something that will work.

I saw a YouTube video from John Kurokawa as he reviewed many fabric ligatures and he agrees with my assessment that the Versa was way too stuffy for his taste.

Other people can work with it... but I can't.

I decided to give the Vandoren Optimum a try. What a difference! It had slightly lower star rating on Amazon than the Versa (4.3 vs 4.6 stars) but the reviews were far more enthusiastic.

I have very little need to upgrade my ligature again... but I am curious about Brad Behn's new screw ligature and the Silverstein ligatures. Maybe one day I'll try them out, but until then, I'm very happy with my setup.

So while the ligature is the least important, it's also vital to facilitate sound. If you can't facilitate sound, it's a problem to be fixed and corrected and it becomes the #1 priority.


Yes, you had bad instruction in that area. But I'd place that blame exactly where it belongs.

I'll also offer this: Jim Rohn taught that we should be good students, not followers. Study things out and come to your own conclusions, not just blindly follow what someone else says. Granted, younger students are far more impressionable... which is why being a teacher is a great responsibility... but we are responsible to determine where we go on from here.

Just my thoughts.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 02:11

He had 30 years of teaching students and had multiple All-Staters a year. I assumed he knew what he was talking about, but I was so confused as to why I wasn't improving. It's wild how he was saying that BS after 30 years of experience.



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: Philip Caron 
Date:   2025-11-12 02:24

LOL. The lead post and it's followups do indicate that someone sucks.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 02:42

OmniClarinet314 wrote:

> He had 30 years of teaching students and had multiple
> All-Staters a year. I assumed he knew what he was talking
> about, but I was so confused as to why I wasn't improving. It's
> wild how he was saying that BS after 30 years of experience.
>

>
> Post Edited (2025-11-12 02:11)

I've heard that line many times before in my industry. "It's only 25 years of experience talking."

What they really mean is they had 5 years of experience 20 years ago and they keep repeating that same mentality over and over again.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2025-11-12 04:33

OmniClarinet314 wrote:

> Typical Ridenour supporter lol! Always projecting.
>

Yes it's been my observation that Ridenour clarinets do project well.  :)

> Was it my fault that kids with $10k clarinets were trashing on
> me for not making state on a sub-$1k piece of crap? Very poor
> sportsmanship.

Therapy time. You cannot control the actions of others. You can control your response to it. Choose to not let the opinions of others dictate your happiness. Do not give other people, particularly those acting poorly (like you are here) power.

How is it other people in the same situation as you might have acted differently, been less phased? If its because you held low opinion of yourself, that's not the instigator's fault.

You are projecting your faults on to an instrument and vendor unfairly. I doubt your instrument was as bad as you think it was, anymore than if it was, it was one instrument, and you seek to trash the entire company.

I wrote recently about a visit I made to a major woodwind shop having tried a few Buffets there, some Toscas. Whether because they were out of service from too many people trying them, or inherently bad instruments, should I trash Buffet despite IMO there new instruments being light years less consistent than those from RCP or because some I played were bad?

> I can't let go of the fact that I could have made first chair all-state in high > > school. Instead I had to go through humiliation and it makes me so mad to
> see people like Ridenour saying that expensive clarinets are unnecessary.

And suppose you would have made first chair. How different would your life have been? You need to be speaking to a professional about this. You need to learn ways to deal with unfairness you are having a hard time processing, and as a result, I strongly suspect, lashing out an instrument and its maker.

Anecdote: The year I made All State in my State, before indoor plumbing, Jon Manasse couldn't attend because he had other musical obligations. Teaching at Julliard today, one of America's most prominent players, exactly how did his failure to even be part of the festival, let alone not sit first chair affect him?

> Should I accept a challenge from someone who talks trash about Buffet and > Selmer? And already ridiculed me before I posted a video?

You ask the wrong question. You should accept a challenge because you have made claims. Who put you up to that challenge or why is irrelevant. Tom practically worships Buffet and Selmer compared to your trashing of him and his clarinets.

> I'd say I was a victim of the BS saying that "instrument doesn't matter and
> that only the player matters".

I'd agree, but only because the truth is that the player matters far more than the instrument. Sure, that instrument has to have pads that seal, hold a reasonable pitch, etc. Your repairman found no issues of this sort.

The funny thing is that the thing most young players, as David alludes to, are a victim of the opposite: branding that places far too much emphasis on the instrument. If anything these differences are best only appreciated by the more refined the player, which you were not at the time.

> That's not a good thing to say to a high school student. My second clarinet
> teacher told me that to try to mask his own deficiencies in teaching and I
> believed it.

We've been thru this. You are not the only one to face life's adversities. In fact everyone does, even if not equally. Again, the same Michael Loewenstern you cite got bumped to bass clarinet (did you understand that...did I get the spelling of bass right?) because a teacher thought he utterly stank at Soprano clarinet.

Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. And yet he made Lemonade out of those lemons, becoming amazing at both bass and Soprano clarinet.

> Ridenour has many people who don't like his clarinets. I'm with the majority > here. A bad product is a bad product.

Far more people like his clarinets than not. You are not with the majority. He makes quality instruments of which I am seriously beginning to wonder if the one instrument you had was even bad.

Do you still have it? I'd like to try it. Let's reverse this challenge. Rather than you playing your R13 I'd like to play your RCP clarinet.

>I practiced a lot every day, and I still wasn't satisfied with my tone quality. I >wonder why. If that was what Kal thought, then he wouldn't have been able to >help me.

Opperman was a teacher's teacher. The man was brilliant at quickly diagnosing problems. If he thought you stank he would have first played your instrument and made an immediate assessment of how much the problem was you or the horn. If you, he'd then go to work at addressing your weaknesses.

We have no idea what you practiced or how, or for that matter what a lot is. This statement alone means little.

I have to ask, do you play double lip? I ask because, for all the differences I have with Kal on the necessity of this embouchure (which I am by no means against and play non-exclusively) the thought that Kal wouldn't have been able to try to help you when he would have had you switch embouchures flies in the face of the idea that there's nothing he couldn't have done.

Of course I'm assuming that your self assessment on his inability to help you on the RCP clarinet doesn't lie in poor belief in your skills.

> Yes. If his clarinets were as good or better than an R13 as advertised, I
> wouldn't have had to endure this garbage.

Indeed, lets blame Tom, who doesn't charge R13 prices, that his line of wares is junk because you, a novice at the time made this assessment based on a single instrument as a young player.

> My first clarinet teacher is also to blame for recommending me a bad
> clarinet.

There is a personality disorder, I pray you don't have, as it makes everyone's life around you harder, including, most notably yours, where everything is everyone else's fault. Let's keep a tally here: you instrument and teacher were terrible, the kids at all state as well, and your parents couldn't afford better than an RCP instrument.

Tell me, how did the Russian students I talked about with truly terrible instruments (and lack of decent reeds, don't get me ever started) ever make it?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

One final anecdote. I taught a software class once that student's evaluated on conclusion. Every student gave me a stellar review but one.

My manager asked me about this, not simply because of the bad review but the anomalous nature of it. I explained that this student just didn't get it, despite my getting thru to everyone else. I suggested he call her to discuss, and that when he did, he'd get a lot of nebulous explanations.

Indeed he did. It was far easier for this student to blame others.

Nobody today is evaluating you based on your All State experiences except maybe you. Move on. Stop using it as a crutch.

Maybe you'd like to hear some of the sob stories, I am sure no less legitimate of your fellow posters here.



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 05:01

If I wasn't a refined player back then, then how do I sound a lot better on my R13 without any lessons? I was almost exactly the same player. Double lip and single lip don't make much of a difference in tone quality for me.

I've seen many more negative reviews about Ridenour clarinets than positive on the Internet on Youtube, Reddit, and Facebook.

Those Toscas in the shop were bad because they weren't maintained well. Buy a new Tosca and it'd be the opposite. Both the Ridenour clarinet I had and my R13 were new.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2025-11-12 05:45

So you think your controlled study of one RCP, one Buffet, and one player is enough to trash a vendor that's well liked here? Shame on you.

Because (assuming its even truthful) *you* one player, sound better on one instrument over another doesn't make one instrument heavenly and the other crap.

I do not see how you fail to not get that without peer review of your instruments and your play, you cannot make such broad statements about brands.

Even if others concur in finding vast difference between your instruments or your play on them, and I seriously doubt they would based on how you blame everything and one but yourself, you cannot make such broad statements about brands. Your sample size is one. This implies that a vendor would have to make every product perfect to never get a bad review. Do you occupy such areas of perfection?

There is no one better internet source for clarinet in the world than here. RCP products are very well appreciated here. That *you've seen" many more negative reviews.....there you go again with that sample size of one: you.

I could show you brand spanking new instruments from Buffet, even meticulously worked on right out the box, that are not so great. There's a reason why someone might buy an RCP or Yamaha from an internet provider, albeit with a good return policy, but almost always shop in person for a Buffet.

An entire cottage industry arose at Brannen Woodwinds with making brand new Buffet instruments good. Do you trash Buffet?

Finally, this blame everyone else stuff:

I think about all the people here, as this bboard's demographics I suspect have gotten older with time, who have died, gotten sick, are dying, can't play clarinet anymore. I think about soldiers who've lost body parts and lives, people who go hungry, immigrants who struggled coming to the US, the list of suffering is endless.

Stop blaming a clarinet maker for one, maybe, maybe less than stellar clarinet as seen through the eyes of what was one amateur. There will always be that better instrument.

In is amazing how you skip over points I make to make your own.

At this point your arguments are so over the top that I think you've helped RCP sales, not simply on how you can't be reasoned with, but the people that have come forward to defend the brand: a brand, once again, I do not profit off of, nor do I profit off the losses of competing brands.

Get your arse into a practice chair with Bearmann III and a metronome rather than wasting your time complaining here. Only one of these will make you better.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 05:47

I'm not on Reddit. YouTube? I'm all over YouTube. The most 'critical' review was Michael Lowenstern's review of a now older Ridenour Low-C bass clarinet that admittedly had some pad leaks, however he did praise the tuning of it. That's in the video itself. Granted, he prefers what he sells and I can't fault him for that perspective necessarily, but he did praise it.

In YouTube comment areas, I do see legitimate criticisms of past models with soft keywork. That isn't accurate of his models these days. Granted, I can move a key deliberately, but not unintentionally.

But YouTube videos outright criticizing it? I only know of one little YouTube short and that's it.

Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6qSm6_4-smY

I even let Tom and Ted know about it. Here's their response on that link:
"You need to align the bridge keys differently, so it works. Take it to a repair tech to adjust it so you're are happy. This kind of adjustment take 5 minutes TOPS."

***

My used R13 that I bought 30 years ago wasn't perfect either. I only paid $399 for it in 1995. It played decently, but needed some fine tuning. Sent it to Bruce Belo in Anaheim and he did wonders on it! I think I paid $250-$300 for all that work, but well worth it.

My own AureA wasn't perfect either. I sent it to two local techs and even back to Ridenour themselves. They couldn't fix what I thought was wrong. Eventually I figured out that some of it was me and my hand positioning. The rest of it was key fittings. My left hand C/F key was a bit too tight. So I filed the post and key rods a bit. Not a problem anymore.

I even had a rant thread on this forum here... and many of the other posters helped me to realize that practically ALL clarinets (those not bought from a store) often need adjustments of various kinds so they are functional for the musician.


***

Why might you sound better on the R13 now than you did on the 576? I have a theory.

Theory 1: Pad or key height/adjustments. I've adjusted my own keys for better voicing and tuning. My R13 needed some of that adjustment too when I got it.

Ever take the 576 to a tech and have them really play it?

Granted, when I've taken my AureA to a tech, I have to give them the background to prove that it isn't an Amazon ISO (instrument shaped object). When I explain that, yes it's made in China, but designed by Tom Ridenour who designed the Opus/Concerto clarinets and more for Leblanc, all worries go away. No one has ever had any issues working on my clarinet.

Theory 2: Mouthpiece pitch. When I had my R13, the Vandoren M13 mouthpieces had just come out and I bought one for my R13. It was a bit lower pitched, but it worked. This past year, I bought a couple of Vandoren 13-series mouthpieces... but they lowered the pitch a bit too much. I bought a 62mm barrel to compensate.

After Tom had graciously offered to widen the window on the Homage mouthpiece I had bought from him, it's my preferred and only mouthpiece that I have now. (Before that adjustment, I squeaked a bit too much on it to make it play reliably for me.) I don't know exactly what he did, but it's AMAZING now.

Just my thoughts.

Ridenour AureA Bb clarinet
Ridenour Homage mouthpiece
Vandoren Optimum Silver ligature (plate 1)
Vandoren Traditional #4 reeds
ATG System, Cordier Reed Trimmer, and A.L.E. Reed Balancer

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: Natam17 
Date:   2025-11-12 07:07

Maybe I’ll regret stepping into the minefield that is this thread:

Why don’t you just appreciate the instrument you have now? Let go of whatever issue you had with your old gear and make something of yourself with the new clarinet, which seems to work better for you. Music is one of the most wonderful things about being human. Whatever damage you want to be done to a maker’s name is not happening, rather, you are hurting yourself. I wish you could take that energy and put it into moving towards your musical goals. Hope things get better for you.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: Fuzzy 
Date:   2025-11-12 09:06

Karl,

I'm not sure there's even a tiny bit of heaven anywhere near these two threads...In fact, I think I smell sulphur! Hahaha!

However, I did enjoy your conversation with Mr. Liberson in the other thread - about the string and the Bb to A clarinet theory. Perhaps you should have tried a Violin's A string?! I hear it makes a difference!

Fuzzy
;^)>>>

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: Morrigan 
Date:   2025-11-12 13:47

Story time!

When I was in my youth orchestra, I entered the concerto competition. The opportunity to play a concerto with the orchestra? Amazing!

I found out that last year’s winner had entered, and there was no rule against previous winners from re-entering in future. I was so annoyed; I complained to anyone who would listen. It’s not fair; I’d win if she didn’t enter; etc etc etc. I think I might have posted a thread here about it but don’t wanna dig it up. Embarrassing.

Eventually, I heard myself. I saw the faces of everyone around me. I’d spent so much energy complaining. I snapped myself out of it and dedicated that energy to practice.

I won.

Let me spell it out for you if you missed the message: redirect your energy to productive things. Let go of that which isn’t serving you.



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 14:30

Ridenour clarinets don’t project well. That was my main problem with them. Another false statement from you that I forgot to mention. How is it a sample size of one when many others agree with me?



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: Tony F 
Date:   2025-11-12 17:26

OmniClarinet314 ,
You come over as a somewhat pathetic, self obsessed troll. I'm pretty sure I've seen the same monotonous whining on this forum under different user names. Are you coming round again? Perhaps you didn't make 1st chair because you suck.

Tony F.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: SecondTry 
Date:   2025-11-12 17:32

OmniClarinet314 wrote:

> Ridenour clarinets don’t project well.

Wait, wasn't it that they sound fuzzy? Don't answer that.

This is your opinion. Most people on this bboard do not agree with you. I doubt most people anywhere agree with you. I think my RCP clarinet has a great tone. Others have heard me and yet others have played this instrument and produced nice tone as well. I have loaned this instrument out to friends who needed to gig with an "A" clarinet for orchestral work.

You should be phrasing this as "in my opinion the single Ridenour clarinet I owned didn't project well."

And unless you found a way to clone yourself, was this opinion on projection not that of others hearing you play, not yours? Wait, don't answer that. Instead answer the multitude of legitimate questions posed from Lowenstern, to Manasse to Russian players and how they all overcame their issues--and those are just my questions. Others have also asked you questions you haven't answered.

> That was my main problem with them.

I doubt it. I suspect your main problem with the instrument was you.

> Another false statement from you that I
> forgot to mention.

Something isn't a false statement simply because you possibly don't understand it or accept its truth.

>How is it a sample size of one when many
> others agree with me?
>

1) Because others also disagree with you, in fact dare I say far more people like RCP clarinets than don't.

2) Because others have not concurred your findings on this one instrument.

3) Because you, the only one reporting on the clarinet's playability are a sample size of one, just like the sample size of instruments tested here. (Others have played other RCP instruments and most like them.)

4) Because your claims could no less be falsely assigned to any clarinet manufacturer in the world.

I don't think your RCP clarinet was a dud. But let's just say it was. Do you think every Selmer or Buffet or (name your brand) produced was great? Do you think that every player who had a problem with their name brand instrument and switched to another brand with success means the initial brand poor?

Look at the responses here. How many people are chiming in that RCP instruments are poor? How many people have said they like them?

You have long exceeded the standard here for trolling. Answer every question posed of you that you've ignored on this subject matter before asking any additional ones of your own.

Better, focus your efforts on moving forward from here, which means less time on the bboard complaining or more in the practice chair. Look into the mirror for answers to your issues 10 times before you seek to assign blame once.

I cannot take seriously any player who has the time you do to be here complaining. Opperman said your most precious asset is your time.

You are not spending it wisely if your goal is to become a better player.


> Post Edited (2025-11-12 14:31)



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 17:51

Tony F wrote:

> OmniClarinet314 ,
> You come over as a somewhat pathetic, self obsessed troll. I'm
> pretty sure I've seen the same monotonous whining on this forum
> under different user names. Are you coming round again? Perhaps
> you didn't make 1st chair because you suck.
>

Let's hear you, bro. I bet you sound like a middle schooler like you do now.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: kdk 
Date:   2025-11-12 17:55

You won't convince Omni, and he won't stop annoying you, so you aren't getting anywhere, and continuing this exercise in futility is a waste of your time. There's not much point in closing the thread because, apparently, another one will open and the barrage will continue. Just stop, before you all waste any more time that could be used more constructively.

The ideal would be for this to be the last post in the thread, even without my (or Mark's) closing it.

Karl

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 18:05

The Ridenour clarinet started sounding fuzzy for whatever reason in 2017. It wasn't much of a problem in 2015-2016. In the 2015-2016 year, my biggest problem with it was projection. Second was tone quality.

I think if people on here heard the differences between me playing the Ridenour and the R13, they'd agree that the R13 sounds a lot better. How was it me when I sound much better on the R13? I already proved that it's an instrument problem. You ignore everything I say.

A lot of things about Ridenour is negative from his customer service to his clarinets. I hear a lot about this on several social media websites. I don't hear much about this about the better clarinet brands like Buffet, Selmer, Backun, because they're actually good brands.



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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: OmniClarinet314 
Date:   2025-11-12 18:25

kdk wrote:

> You won't convince Omni, and he won't stop annoying you, so you
> aren't getting anywhere, and continuing this exercise in
> futility is a waste of your time. There's not much point in
> closing the thread because, apparently, another one will open
> and the barrage will continue. Just stop, before you all waste
> any more time that could be used more constructively.
>
> The ideal would be for this to be the last post in the thread,
> even without my (or Mark's) closing it.
>
> Karl

Nothing is going to convince me that Ridenour isn't a trash brand, because I proved that it is. Only thing going for him is his ATG system.

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 19:06

Anonymous statements are not proof.

Let's review Josh Johnson's blog about his Libertas experience (original Libertas from 2014):

https://woodwindwonderland.blogspot.com/2014/05/the-new-ridenour-lyrique-libertas-life.html

"Secondly, the sound. Jesus, the sound. It is SO round and lovely and clarinetty and fluid, as you'd expect from an instrument designed by the guy who gave the world the Leblanc Opus. For those who have expressed concern about the projection of hard rubber...fear not, I routinely fill 5,000 seat auditoriums with this instrument's sound. Intervallic response on this instrument is also really spectacular. This particular show is full of legato sevenths, tenths, and twelfths (both ascending and descending), and I nail every one of them, every time, and I don't have to do anything with my face to coax them out. There is no tiny hesitation between notes while the next one is trying to speak, it just...comes out."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-NlwOMKzOI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXstW4Gp8uE

Yes, I know he also plays Uebel clarinets as well, but he never 'walked back' on his statements on Ridenour clarinets.

Actually, he did sell it per comments on that second YouTube link, but he enjoyed it while he was touring.

Ridenour AureA Bb clarinet
Ridenour Homage mouthpiece
Vandoren Optimum Silver ligature (plate 1)
Vandoren Traditional #4 reeds
ATG System, Cordier Reed Trimmer, and A.L.E. Reed Balancer

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 Re: Ridenour sucks at making clarinets
Author: David H. Kinder 
Date:   2025-11-12 19:12

OmniClarinet314 wrote:

> The Ridenour clarinet started sounding fuzzy for whatever
> reason in 2017. It wasn't much of a problem in 2015-2016. In
> the 2015-2016 year, my biggest problem with it was projection.
> Second was tone quality.
>
> I think if people on here heard the differences between me
> playing the Ridenour and the R13, they'd agree that the R13
> sounds a lot better. How was it me when I sound much better on
> the R13? I already proved that it's an instrument problem. You
> ignore everything I say.
>
> A lot of things about Ridenour is negative from his customer
> service to his clarinets. I hear a lot about this on several
> social media websites. I don't hear much about this about the
> better clarinet brands like Buffet, Selmer, Backun, because
> they're actually good brands.
>

>
> Post Edited (2025-11-12 18:11)

Wait a minute... it was fine for 2015-2016... and then in 2017 it sounded 'fuzzy' for no apparent reason?.

Wouldn't logic dictate to figure out what changed?

Wouldn't logic tell you to get it looked at for loose or frayed pads or something else? Maybe you changed mouthpieces or reeds and that contributed (somehow)?

You haven't proved anything - just continued with the same narrative, but now you're showing lack of diagnostic problem-solving skills.

Ridenour AureA Bb clarinet
Ridenour Homage mouthpiece
Vandoren Optimum Silver ligature (plate 1)
Vandoren Traditional #4 reeds
ATG System, Cordier Reed Trimmer, and A.L.E. Reed Balancer

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