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 Re: One in Four Classical Musicians Use Beta Blockers
Author: Gregory Smith ★2017
Date:   2006-03-30 02:54

JKDD: >"rather than addressing the soundness of the argument itself."


I believe that I and many others here have absolutely and directly addressed all of the issues (argument) here - and in spades. For some reason you don't seem to agree with the premise of the argument. That's an entirely different thing.

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JKDD>"I assume that at least 90 percent of these people are not taking beta blockers for medical reasons, but instead are trying to get an edge."


On what authority do you make these assumptions about for what reasons and for how many of "these people" are trying to "get an edge" as you put it? On what authority do you think you can judge what are and what aren't medical conditions for others? Do you not consider psychological problems, mental blocks, psychological burdens, etc, the equivalent to that of physical ones (to whatever degree that they present themselves)?

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JKDD>"...you consider anyone who is helped by playing with beta blockers under pressure to be suffering from a "psychological deficit". I do not. Those who are taking beta blockers solely to play a little bit better are guilty of doping."


Then you seem to be assuming that you know others better than they know themselves. This is the main complaint - that that type of observation seems to me to be rather harsh and judgmental insofar as other's motivations are concerned. It also demonstrates a profound misunderstanding of the nature of the problem performing musicians are trying to overcome (let alone how they are trying to do it).

I believe that someone a few posts up said that they just wanted to get back to their own "normal". One simply can't play beyond their own "normal". How can one play beyond their own "normal". Who decides that normal - you or the individual that knows themselves best? Being relieved of the distraction that any psychological issues enter into one's performance is the equivalent of attempting to find one's own psychological baseline so to speak. That's not "enhancing", it's simply allowing one to be one's self.

As far as physicians and ethics are concerned, there is a whole branch of medicine that has emerged specifically addressing performance anxiety as well as all musicians' health issues in the arts. One very large component of that well established and respected branch of medicine deals with the psychology of performance. One of those sub-specialties deals with medication and it's proper usage. That branch, along with the others, is perceived to be just as legitimate as the rest. I can assure you that my posts reflect the philosophy of that branch of medicine.

Profit motive aside (we all know the effect of Phrma and their lobbying machine) I can't think of what you may be intimating about musician's doctors. Is it that doctors that help musicians with their psychological blocks are in it purely for the money? Inderal is one of the least profit driven meds in the entire industry. That they are somehow conspiring with musicians? Reread some physician's posts in this thread and in the links contained in the first post as well as the link that I posted above. I just don't understand that kind of thinking - unless of course one actually believes as you seem to insist (erroneously) that BBlockers allow one to perform over and above what one is inherently able to do...that they suddenly become "super-players" of some sort.

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JKDD>"Were musical competitions a huge international sport like the Olympics, I have no doubt that beta blockers would be banned. However, since our little niche is off of most peoples' radar, it is not scrutinized as much."


Mine and many other's view of the artistic community is that they are, and have to be by nature, very open-minded, sensitive, intelligent, and in philosophy, less likely to be judgmental toward their fellow human beings. I think that the artistic community as a whole is less likely to take as puritanical a view of the world that, in the imaginary scenario that you paint, would attempt to determine for others what is best for them by universalising for all others based soley on one's own experience.

Gregory Smith



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