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 Re: Blowing terminology
Author: Arnoldstang 
Date:   2008-09-21 18:58

Clarnibass, Arnoldstang wrote " Mr Pay uses the term "Blow" to include the technique of support.>>
Tony Pay responded..
"No, exactly not. " =NO End of quote. The problem I have here is just getting the very basics out of the way. Tony really doesn't even admit to using support. He goes all around it. Tony says
"You can play perfectly well at any dynamic without using support, the model being what you do when you play fff. To do it at a lower dynamic, you just blow less." I countered this with >> Would it be true to say "without using support" could have been expressed....."without using conscious support". This seems to be more in line with your other thoughts. I'm not trying to poke holes here just getting it right. thanks. >>Tony responded

"I did mean "without support", in fact " People who are not actively participating in this discussion no doubt take my questions to be so obvious...but when I ask whether you use support consciously or unconsciously in your playing and get NO for an answer it should raise eyebrows. Perhaps the question should be "Is the resultant tone supported?"
Tony does use the words "perfectly well" ...I really don't know what this is. If perectly well is unsupported (resultant) then it isn't saying anything other than you can blow at different dynamics in an unsupported fashion.
Even when you use the phrase "blow good" one can see you are consciously employing something to make it good. This is counter to Tony"s approach of "teaching your diaphragm" It seems to me that support is achieved in varying amounts by both conscious and unconscious approaches. Tony denies both.

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Arnoldstang 2008-09-29 21:08 
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