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 Re: Blowing terminology
Author: Tony Pay ★2017
Date:   2008-09-21 10:18

This (in an airport) is to address the question that liquorice and Nitai both are interested in: namely, why does the sound change (if it does) when we use different amounts of support for the same dynamic?

From time to time I've thought about this. Theoretically, there should be no difference on just one note, because what happens in the mouth is surely unaffected by how the air pressure is produced; but, like liquorice, I do find that there seems to be a difference.

I suppose that I've come to think that it's an illusion, caused by the fact that I usually imagine the sound I want BEFORE I go about making it. So, if I want a concentrated piano or pianissimo, I imagine high air pressure coupled with a small tube -- so small mouth volume. That is a 'non-relaxed' stance, and goes well with the 'non-relaxed' support stance (your abdominal muscles are more tense when you play with support).

I notice that if I want tension in my sound -- say in the big F# crescendo in Abime des Oiseaux -- I find it helps to create tension in my body too. The trick, of course, is to be able to relax again afterwards; in the case of the Messiaen, so as not to interfere with the fluency of the bird music. But I take the position that CHOSEN tension isn't counterproductive. We just mustn't be at the mercy of it in general. (So I'm not worried by the fact that my RH2 has a mark on it after playing Abime:-)

So probably I just automatically associate support with precision and concentration, so it comes as a package.

The other thing that strikes me to say is that of course, PERCEIVED sound isn't just the quality of a single note. It includes the quality of the transitions between notes. And when I play with support, I think I get much more precise transitions (because the opposition helps the legato to be much smoother) and therefore the quality of the passage seems more intense.

Whoops! Aeroplane:-)

Tony
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