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 Re: Blowing terminology
Author: Arnoldstang 
Date:   2008-09-20 22:57

Peter, what you were disagreeing with were concepts of Tony. No doubt I have misconceived this but here they are....""You can play perfectly well at any dynamic without using support, the model being what you do when you play fff. To do it at a lower dynamic, you just blow less." I countered this with >> Would it be true to say "without using support" could have been expressed....."without using conscious support". This seems to be more in line with your other thoughts. I'm not trying to poke holes here just getting it right. thanks. >>Tony responded

"I did mean "without support", in fact " I have no problem with varying the amount of support . Tony goes from saying"You can perfectly well etc" to
"What I say is that playing the clarinet uses all sorts of techniques, and that 'support' is one of them. It may very well be true that I use support more of the time in my playing than I don't use support; but I still maintain that there are passages where support isn't NECESSARY" If this isn't backtracking I don't know what is. He more or less says you don't need it but you do need it. As I have stated he didn't qualify the orginal statement which was "You can play perfectly well" Perfectly well is not perfectly well if you are playing the Mozart Concerto. Beyond all this Tony admits to hardly using the Intercostal muscles when breathing in(except for very long phrases or really loud playing). His blowing is tied directly to supporting as he taken the high breathing out of the picture. Even with said he still admits he separates blowing and support. I don't see how he does this with only low breathing.
Going back to the orginal quote Tony uses the words"what you do" when you play FFF. If you aren't using the FFF as a tonal model but just using "what you do" then it appears he doesn't use any more support than you do for FFF than softer dynamic levels. He says no support.....no support.... consciously or otherwise...in fact no support. How do you reconcile all of this?
I have no problem with blowing, supporting, varying the amounts of support and finally making the application of support second nature. It is all the talk of supporting but not supporting that has me tied in knots.

Freelance woodwind performer

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