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 Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: Hatten 
Date:   2008-03-27 19:48

Hi, i'm a clarinetstudent who loves the klezmer, i had a klezmerband before, but i just didn't get the right sound out of my mouthpiece, which brings me to the case at hand:

What mouthpieces do you eager klezmerplayers out there play on?

Crystal, Ebonite?
Is there any other aspects which you wish to unfold, this is the place.

Does anybody know what "gear" (clarinet, reed, mouthpiece, barrel, etc.) Sir Feidman uses? I know he has many clarinets, but please, enlighten me:)

Thanks

BuffetCrampon RC, Vandoren B45, Vandoren v12 #3's
A & Bb clarinets

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: Tom Puwalski 
Date:   2008-03-28 00:01

Hi there, I don't use anything different to play klezmer than I do to play anything else. I play close about 1.03 tip and about a 38 length. It's roughly the facing on a M15 vandoren. Mine are on zinner blanks, but I have a few M15s and an M30 which is a little more open than the M15. I use Rico reserve 3.5s and I usually take a little off to balance them better. I just played a B45 a few days back most 3s would be really hard to play on that mouthpiece. Try some different reeds and see how that works. Tom Puwalski

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: Ralph Katz 
Date:   2008-03-28 00:39

I would second that. Changing setups is really a pain. Play klezmer on your normal setup.

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: Jim Harper 2017
Date:   2008-03-28 19:11

I've been playing on different setups for so long it has become natural. Maybe I'm just lazy, but I find it so much easier to bend notes with open mouthpieces. I never got that throat opening thing down, I bend with the lip and jaw. Also, open mouthpieces can be played much louder, so I find a wider range of dynamic possibilities. I do have more problems with intonation on open mouthpieces. For klez and jazz I'm currently using a Pomarico Jazz**. It's a crystal. Crystals can become pieces of junk in a split second so I bring along a 5JB as a backup.

I like more closed mouthpieces for classical. I switch back and forth when practicing so I keep my chops up on both. Almost all my classical playing is on Bb or A so I'm not switching mouthpieces.

BTW, I'm playing klez on an Arioso C these days. I found the intonation better for me than on my Patricola C. The intonation on the rosewood C varied so much with temperature changes. The Arioso is okay, it feels a bit cheap compared to my Buffet, Rossi, or Haynes Bb's.

Jim Harper
http://meshugga.org/

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: Hatten 
Date:   2008-03-29 14:17

I have considered the thought of buying one of the pomarico jazz mouthpieces! I know that giora Feidman uses a crystal mouthpiece, and he's no amateur:D

To answer the other threads, i have tried to play klezmer with my mouthpiece, and the glissandos go fine with throat technique, and i can do most of the klezmer-techniques with my B45, but still, i feel that i'm missing some intensity in what i am doing, like it's not enough. I know that a bigger opening will give me new horizons to playing klezmer.

But what do you mean with the pomaricos failing from time to time?:s

To use an opening of 1.05 is just amazing in klezmer, if you can play well with that, that's cool man.

BuffetCrampon RC, Vandoren B45, Vandoren v12 #3's
A & Bb clarinets

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: Katrina 
Date:   2008-03-29 14:34

I think that what is the issue with pomaricos failing is that if/when you drop a crystal mouthpiece, you're completely stuck with no mouthpiece!

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2008-03-29 18:11

Katrina wrote:

> I think that what is the issue with pomaricos failing is that
> if/when you drop a crystal mouthpiece, you're completely stuck
> with no mouthpiece!

That saves you from the hassle of selling it on That Auction Site if you no longer like it. [tongue]

--
Ben

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: Jim Harper 2017
Date:   2008-03-31 20:02

Right. Drop a crystal mouthpiece, or accidently tap the tip against a stand, or ... and it's history. I've seen the sudden demise of two of my crystals. After decades of playing I don't remember losing any mouthpiece made of other material.

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: Hatten 
Date:   2008-03-31 23:57

But which crystal mouthpiece should i buy, if i were to buy any? Pomaricos? I will be shure to be careful with it! hehe.

BuffetCrampon RC, Vandoren B45, Vandoren v12 #3's
A & Bb clarinets

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: vintschevski 
Date:   2008-04-14 13:33

Hello!

It may be of interest to mention that Pomarico at one stage produced a mouthpiece called the "Nigun", which would seem to indicate that it was intended to be a Klezmer mouthpiece. I know very little about it, but if you do a search for it on the Clarinet BBoard you'll find more information, including the suggestion that Giora Feidman had some input into its design.

Bye!



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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2008-04-16 07:58

Another possibility would be to come up with specs for a desired facing and have one of the mouthpiece masters make one for you from a blank, or reface a stock mouthpiece.

--
Ben

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 Metal Clarinet
Author: BP 
Date:   2008-04-28 22:51

Has anyone tried to play Klezmer with a metal clarinet???

Bill

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 Re: Metal Clarinet
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2008-04-29 21:57

Yes.
It sounded more or less like on a plastic or wood instrument.

Or do you mean "metal mouthpiece"?

--
Ben

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: Seamus Kirkpatrick 
Date:   2008-07-07 13:39

I'm having a great time with a clark w fobes jazz mouthpiece - I simply can't recommend it enough, but I do agree with the previous posts, I was getting some really fun sounds when I was playing with a classical clark w fobes.

So much of the appropriate sound comes from you (I believe you should experiment with softer reeds and a looser jaw/lips and LOTS of air).

The fobes jazz mouthpiece is also very forgiving of my Amati albert system clarinet, which is great value for money and mechanically very sound, but not an awesome sounding clarinet sadly (but my main clarinet, cause I could afford it).

http://www.independentmusic.com.au

Post Edited (2008-07-07 14:35)

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: merlin 
Date:   2010-02-10 21:04

I used to use a Vandoren VA0 with Vandoren Black Master 5s. Then I switched to a VA5 and Black MAster 4s.

Now I use Edward Pillinger mouthpieces (actually I use a Jody Jazz 7 on my C) and they are all very open, from 1.47-1.57.

With these open mouthpieces I use Vandoren or Rico Royal 1s.


All the bends, glisses, doinks, chirps and krekhtsen are possible on very closed or very open mouthpieces. Listen to "Budowitz - Wedding without a Bride" and "Merlin Shepherd Kapelye - Intimate Hopes & Terrors" to hear me playing a very closed mouthpiece on an Albert C and managing Klezmer OK.

The more open mouthpieces allow me (as has been said here) a much greater dynamic range, and actually more control.

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: Ralph Katz 
Date:   2010-02-12 21:24

Merlin,

Thanks for this post, which says that no particular equipment is needed to be stylistically correct.

Ralph

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 Re: Klezmer Mouthpieces
Author: merlin 
Date:   2010-02-14 09:49

Here's what I think.

You will always make the sound in your head. It doesn't matter what equipment you use, what's important is what is in your ear.

The more you listen to and copy the type of sound you want to make, the more you will sound like it.

Some pieces of equipment will help you to make your sound easily, others will hinder you somewhat, but ultimately your inner sound will come through. When you feel more comfortable and relaxed (and some mouthpiece, reed and instrument combinations REALLY help) then you will free yourself to get on with the task in hand, ie to play Music, not clarinet.

If you can make it easy on yourself by selecting the appropriate and most comfortable mouthpiece reed combination then you will stand a better chance of letting the inner sound out. Playing the same mouthpiece that Paposov, or Krakauer, or I play will really not make you sound like that person.

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