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Author: jim lande
Date: 2002-03-01 01:27
It is the end of February and time for the annual eBay roundup of metal
clarinet auctions. 103 auctions closed in February, including one for four
horns and one for two. Nine auctions were re-listings of horns seen
earlier in the month. Thirteen auctions got no bids, seven for
restorable student models with minimum bids of $50 or less.
Roughly half of the instruments were sold with trade names that may or
may not indicate who made them. (38 different names.) Most of those
were made in the U.S. and many of those probably were made by
a handful of American companies. I did spot 14 identified as or
clearly made by Conn; 6 by Pedler; 6 by Bettoney; 5 by Holton;
5 by H.N. White; 3 by Buescher; and, 3 by LeBlanc.
Twelve of the auctions featured horns that were collectible or
originally sold as better than student quality. (More than I saw in December
and January put together and about the same as last year.)
A Selmer full boehm and a gorgeous Silver King led the show.
A metal eefer and a repairable albert also topped $300. I bought the
Buescher with an adjustable barrel, better quality keywork and lots of
plating wear. A good deal at $103? Not sure.
67 auctions were for student models that looked to be repairable.
The average high bid was about $63 for these - - about the same as
last year. 16 of these student models went for
under $50 and 18 went for between $50 and $60.
6 horns appeared to be missing barrels and 3 looked badly damaged.
These 9, averaged $45. GO FIGURE.
Auction Feb High Bid Title
====Collectible or better quality====
1509913300 9 $666 SELMER PARIS SILVER METAL CLARINET #2108
1508504924 3 $500 Rare H.N White "Silver King" Clarinet - 5 DAY
1510556794 10 $405 Odell Metal Eb Clarinet Boston Old
1509618015 8 $362 VINTAGE ESTATE CLARINET PARIS FRANCE OVER
ALL (Albert)
1511554372 16 $266 metal Clarinet , Jeuffroy,Paris, MuellerSyst.
1510470402 10 $262 VINTAGE CONN NICKEL SILVER CLARINET W/CASE
1507264264 2 $260 ANTIQUE ALL SILVER CLARINET W/ CASE 1920s
1507604829 3 $260 C G Conn Silver Clarinet and case B241342L
1511158577 12 $205 C G CONN SILVER CLARINET w/ CASE B233012L
1508029938 4 $169 H.N.white silver king NP metal clarinet
1506915288 4 $103 1918 BUESCHER Metal 1 Piece Clarinet 37716
(Adj. barrel; well made keys)
====something else====
1515697703 27 $228 Silver Clarinet -- Experimental Pro model (probably student, but adj. barrel)
1507657932 3 $150 Silver plated clarinet repadded and recorked (restored)
====Probably student quality, probably restorable ====
1517825833 25 $128 SILVER MANHATTAN CLARINET W CASE VINTAGE
1515110441 25 $117 Beautiful Noblet French Silver Clarinet
1512402903 15 $113 Vintage SILVER Clarinet! Victory! WOW!
1507929093 4 $103 antique silver elkhart clarinet in case NR
1517628305 28 $103 Holton Silver Plated Metal Clarinet w/Case
1507564970 3 $103 Four Metal CLarinets 40's or 50's?????????
1516550701 25 $103 Silver Clarinet (Paris, France) Pro Quality
1514034003 22 $99 VINTAGE SILVER CLARINET GREAT CONDITION
1507436816 2 $99 Old Metal Pan American Bb Clarinet
1511886529 17 $95 BARONET Metal Clarinet, IT PLAYS
1515397929 23 $89 Three Star Metal Clarinet
1507215832 2 $80 VINTAGE MANHATTAN CLARINET IN ORIG. WOOD
CASE
1511511317 16 $78 OLD SILVER AMERICAN EXCELSIOR CLARINET
1507677170 1 $77 Boston Bettoney Silver Clarinet 1947 + Case
1515751726 24 $76 Nice!!! Vintage Silver Metal Clarinet NR!
1508085145 4 $76 HOLTON SILVER CLARINET WITH CASE(collegiate)
1509239783 10 $76 ANTIQUE-INDIANA-BRASS-SILVER-CLARINET
1508337692 3 $76 Pedler Hoosier Clarinet w/Hard Case-NICE-NR
1516853917 26 $75 Symphony Silver Open Hole Clarinet.
1513261485 17 $74 Old Silver Cavalier Clarinet with Case RARE
1514001777 19 $71 Old Silver Cavalier Clarinet
1514884545 24 $71 Frank Holton & Co. silver clarinet
1516503704 25 $71 Old Antique Silver *CLARINET* In Case /France
1513749307 18 $67 1940's Brass Noblet Clarinet
1513136890 17 $67 Vintage USA made clarinet and case-no reserve
1512627764 16 $66 VINTAGE SILVER CLARINET Very Old C Melody
1517197787 27 $66 2-OLD CLARINETS WITH ORIG CASES CAVILIER
1512821813 16 $66 Old Silver Manhattan Clarinet w/case No Resv.
1513626742 18 $65 Old Antique Silver *CLARINET* In Case /France
1511673660 11 $65 VINTAGE BOSTON WONDER CLNT WITH CASE!
1512488001 19 $65 Beautiful old Clarinet made of Silver-Paris
1511247515 10 $64 Bettony Metal Bb Clarinet No Reserve L@@K
1511883957 12 $61 NOBLET Clarinet Metal
1508096424 4 $60 BEAUTIFUL ANTIQUE SILVER CLARINET
1513422729 18 $58 Elkhart Pan American 1-piece silver clarinet
1509346558 7 $56 American Perfection SILVER CLARINET NR
1511186642 12 $56 Unusual Early Silver Clarinet
1509275845 7 $56 Euclid's Silver Clarinet~USA
1512043960 12 $54 RARE SILVER CLARINET IN CASE
1513879349 19 $53 REGENT SILVER PLATED CLARINET
1514361076 18 $53 Silver Clarinet one pc Hoosier Elkhart ,OLD
1513987773 19 $53 Unusual Early Silver Clarinet
1515992734 24 $53 OLD METAL CLARINET WITH CASE
1517609980 28 $52 Vintage Rene Duval Silver Clarinet 1940's
1510735014 11 $51 Neat 1 Piece Old Silver Clarinet
1513251303 17 $51 Antique silver clarinet + case complete
1508171906 4 $51 clarinet very old 1 piece silver color (Cavalier)
1510384793 10 $51 EARLY PEDLER SILVER PLATED CLARINET
1511932651 12 $50 Vintage Pitt Clarinet
1509265264 7 $50 VINTAGE US BANDMASTER CLARINET W/ CASE
1515118788 22 $50 Vintage A. Fontaine Metal Clarinet w/ case
1513271121 17 $46 Antique clarinet from England,Silver or Chrom
1509955375 9 $43 Vintage American Revere Clarinet With Case
1511617543 11 $42 A. FONTAINE METAL CLARINET * WALL
HANGER/LAMP [looked fine, to me, keys work]
1509181058 7 $41 Vintage Rene Duval Silver Clarinet 1940's
1517141628 27 $41 Clarinet Silver plated The Regent old
1507156189 5 $41 Henri Lavella Metal Clarinet? W/Case
1516098583 24 $41 Vintage Clarinet "Gold Star JR." in Case
1507496937 3 $39 Antique Vintage Silver Clarinet - NO RESERVE!
(Cavalier)
1516931462 27 $36 ~*CLARINET -- ALL METAL*~
1508502359 3 $36 old metal clarinet [Elkhart]
1507225513 2 $34 Antique brass clarinet. Very Old with MPC.
1510275614 10 $34 Vintage PEERLESS Paris France Clarinet
1513226810 17 $33 Clarinet Vintage Brass
1511456086 11 $32 NICE OLD PARIS CLARINET BY PAUL
JARMAN**N/R*
1510686841 11 $31 American Paragon metal clarinet w/case
1507793030 3 $27 Cadet metal clarinet
====no bid horns (minimum)====
1507552937 3 no bid ($65) Vintage VocoTone Silver Clarinet - Reduced!!
1507984094 4 no bid ($59) VINTAGE O. KOHLERT,BOHEMIA, CLARINET(SILVER)
1513225692 13 no bid ($50) Symphony Silver Open Hole Clarinet.
1507718616 3 no bid ($50) Metal open hole Orpheum clarinet w/hard case
1515014663 22 no bid ($50) Peerless American Silver Plate Clarinet D8193
1506681356 1 no bid ($50) Vintage Loveri USA Clarinet With Case
1506794002 1 no bid ($50) Vintage (1920's?) Loveri Clarinet Paris - Exc
1510641491 11 no bid ($50) Peerless American Silver Plate Clarinet D8193
1509554087 8 no bid ($40) Vintage Loveri USA Clarinet With Case
1510541201 10 no bid ($200) Silver Excelsior Clarinet Wm. Frank Chicago
1513344796 17 no bid ($150) Silver Excelsior Clarinet Wm. Frank Chicago
1516164676 24 no bid ($100) Silver Excelsior Clarinet Wm. Frank Chicago
1509547553 11 no bid ($100) OLDWELL KEPT HOLTON COLLEGIATE METAL CLNT
====maybe culls====
1516467553 23 $58 Old Collegate Silver Clarinet Horton Elkhorn missing barrel?? seller claims complete.
1512101473 17 $57 ANTIQUE BRASS CLARINET W/ CASE
No Barrel
1511262951 12 $56 Metal open hole Orpheum clarinet w/hard case
Bend above bell
1512279749 15 $46 RENE DUVAL SILVER CLARINET!!!!
No barrel in photo
1515810947 24 $42 Antique 1910 H.N. White & Co. Metal Clarinet
Barrel missing
1512725339 19 $42 CAVALIVER SILVER 1 Piece Clarinet 49932 NR
No barrel in photo
1513208712 17 $36 Antique silver clarinet made by King
bent bell, not straight
1515398795 23 $34 The Continental Clarion Metal Clarinet missing barrel
1514850502 21 $32 VINTAGE SILVERTONE CLARINET W/CASE PARTS? parts missing?
last year's survey
http://www.sneezy.org/clarinet/BBoard/read.html?f=1&i=37222&t=37222
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Author: madvax
Date: 2002-03-01 02:44
I always look forward to these posts.
Thanks Jim.
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Author: diz
Date: 2002-03-01 02:54
And I thought the whitepages was a boring read
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Author: William Hughes
Date: 2002-03-01 03:16
jim -
Thanks for your post. I bought the "1508337692 3 $76 Pedler Hoosier Clarinet w/Hard Case-NICE-NR". (I am from the state of Indiana, USA, which is called the "Hoosier" state. It was purely a sentimental purchase.) I based my bid on your last post of this kind, passing up several earlier offerings. The instrument is not only restorable, but actually playable, with only one loose pad, and really has some nice etching on the bell.
Thanks again.
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Author: Brenda Siewert
Date: 2002-03-01 14:06
I'm totally amazed. I bought a Pedler a couple of years ago for $100.00 and restored it. It sounded very, very nice. I resold it on eBay about 6 mos. after that and don't remember what the guy paid me, but I did loose money. That's typical for me. I've tried to keep up with my average loss--but it's way too depressing.
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Author: Bob
Date: 2002-03-01 14:28
Interesting survey,Jim. One man's junk is another man's prize. "Collectible" is interpreted differently by different people. I bought one because it came from a town where I used to live. It cleaned up nicely and is almost an objet de art or however it's spelled. I also learned something about Frank Bettoney...or was it Fred.
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Author: Bob
Date: 2002-03-01 22:19
Dave: that was his brother. The founder was either Frank or Fred and he was first chair flute in a Boston orchestra in the early 1900s. F.Bettoney bought out Wurlitzer and then Cundy to form the Cundy Bettoney Co. which by 1920 was the largest u.s. mfr. of wind instruments....boston area.
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Author: jim lande
Date: 2002-03-02 02:50
Dave Barry says that collecting is a disease.
My definition of 'collectible' is that it was sold as a professional quality instrument, or
that it has some very unusual features, or both. I guess i used the term from my very
narrow perspective, of 1) horns that usually fetch a relatively high price, and 2) ones
that I wouldn't mind owning. There are a few of us who always seem to be interested
in the same sorts of horns.
I know someone who collects all metal clarinets made by Pedler -- and there were a great many models made, most of which were student quality, and many of which didn't have
the Pedler name on it. For him, those are collectible horns.
The Selmer full boehm, if restored, likely will play a lot better than the average student model,
and even though it sells for more, might be 'good buy' as a practice horn, for jazz, etc. However, A student model may be a good buy for someone who wants an interesting horn for display, a horn for marching band, etc. (HOWEVER, all of the silver ones tarnish if left out.)
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Author: willie
Date: 2002-03-02 03:41
Did anybody ever determine if that "C Melody" clarinet was actually in the key of "C"?
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