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 Squeak squeak freak
Author: ILikePies 
Date:   2017-09-17 23:46

So right now I play a Bb clarinet and I am getting squeak problems when I play the opening solo of the Swan Lake "scene". The interval from the C sharp above the second break down to the A gives instant scares because it starts tweeting and I cannot fix it. Help please. Thanks

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 Re: Squeak squeak freak
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2017-09-18 00:21

I don't know what music you mean - whether Tchaikovsky's original work or an arrangement and which "Scene" - so I' can only write generally about that interval.

I assume you're talking about [C#6] down to [A5] (one line above the staff). Squeaks when playing this descending interval are almost always, in my experience, either because one of the LH rings - most likely the one under your LH 2nd finger - doesn't go down far enough when you finger [A5], or you've spooked yourself so much about the squeak that you're changing your embouchure on the way down to try to avoid the problem.

Your embouchure shouldn't change in any noticeable way. If you change the amount or direction of the embouchure pressure on the reed, you destabilize it. I'm assuming C# is a strong, well controlled note.

The ring under LH 2 (around the hole you close to play A5) controls the small pad just above it. The LH 1st finger ring also controls the small pad above it (under the A key). Both of those small pads have to cover solidly when the corresponding finger closes its tone hole and pushes the ring down. Sometimes the pads don't completely close even when the rings are fully pressed. If the mis-adjustment is minor, you might not notice it so much ordinarily, but the descending [C#6]-[A5] third involves changing from one partial to a lower one, so squeaks might happen more easily as the reed resists the change.

Your LH 1st finger could also be hitting the tip of the [A4] key on the way down to its tone hole.


Karl



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 Re: Squeak squeak freak
Author: ILikePies 
Date:   2017-09-18 00:38

@kdk Thank you! I am talking about the scene from Swan Lake Act 2. Yes it is an arrangement for the solo due to the fact our group does not have an oboe, but I checked that my fingers are all down firm on the tone holes, so I might need to adjust the pads, since there could possibly be a leak. Thank you for the help!

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 Re: Squeak squeak freak
Author: kdk 2017
Date:   2017-09-18 01:17

ILikePies wrote:

> @kdk Thank you! I am talking about the scene from Swan Lake Act
> 2. Yes it is an arrangement for the solo due to the fact our
> group does not have an oboe,

So, the first Scene - No. 10 in Act II of the ballet opens with a famous oboe solo, but if that's what you're asking about, I answered about the wrong C# to A. You had mentioned crossing the "second break." It you transpose that oboe solo for Bb clarinet, you have a few C#5-A4 ([C#5] - [A4]) intervals over the first break.

If that's what you're asking about, the business of the rings and related pads isn't related to it. Squeaks here could be caused by embouchure shift (you're still dropping from one harmonic to a lower one), or the clarinet could be wobbling as you go from all fingers to no fingers holding the instrument. The resistance change can also cause trouble. Keep your right hand fingers on the holes while you play A4. It can reduce the difference in resistance between the long and short tube lengths of C# and A.

Karl



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 Re: Squeak squeak freak
Author: Bob Bernardo 
Date:   2017-09-18 04:59

Maybe it's a throat closing issue. You can try a different A fingering, with the right fingers down and using a double lip embouchure for a bit to help open your throat. With the right hand alternate A fingering the A should play better in tune and not pop out, so you will have more control over the note. There are a few different fingerings. Check your meter to see which one tunes the best. I have a favorite using both the left fingers and the right fingers that mellow out the A.

I sadly don't know how to write down this alternate fingering here, but I'm sure someone does. The double lip will take the pressure off of the reed and your mouthpiece, so you shouldn't ever squeak. Also practice backing off the air, but NOT the air support. To learn this technique try blowing up a balloon several times for a few days for a few minutes and take note of what is going on with HOW you are supporting the balloons air flow. This is what you pretty much have to do to support the A without backing of the air flow.

You are not looking for an "O" sound to open your throat. Kind of an euuu, as you go from C# to A. Maybe look at one of Lee Morgan's youtube videos. He has a short clip on what your throat should be doing. Lee is a heck of a player. Went to Interlochen Arts Academy and Cleveland Institute. Main teachers were Fred Ormand and Robert Marcellus. I often talk about the "Ping and the ring," in the sound. Well his sound carries so well in this hall. It's not bright and it it not a dark dead sound.

https://search.aol.com/aol/video?q=lee+morgan+clarinet+teaching+youtube&s_it=video-ans&sfVid=true&videoId=FECC97F13AC0548CBF1FFECC97F13AC0548CBF1F&v_t=loki-keyword

You won't ever squeak again. Best of luck, keep me posted. I'd like to hear how you make out.

Cheers!


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