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 Forget about barrels, mouthpieces, reed conditioners
Author: tictactux 2017
Date:   2007-04-11 22:26

For ages, we've been tackling these sound problems from the wrong angle. Fortunately, there is Mister Belt with his products:

http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/index.html
http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html

(Don't forget to check out the "Free sound improving techniques")

Now will you please excuse me, I have to order some Morphic Message Foil.

(edit: clickable links)

--
Ben

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 Re: Forget about barrels, mouthpieces, reed conditioners
Author: Alseg 
Date:   2007-04-11 23:38

Tux, do you mean to infer that you HAVEN'T placed a piece of paper under one leg of your stereo system?
Oh, come on.....everyone knows about THAT one.
And of course, there HAS to be BLUE flower wrapping paper in every room. We ALL learned that in school.
Where have you been.

Those of you who do not already mark your CDs with chunky black pen are only hearing one channel, but we all do get lazy sometimes, and forget our elementary physics.




For those who have not figured it out, my tongue is so far in cheek, it is coming out of the opposite ear.


Former creator of CUSTOM CLARINET TUNING BARRELS by DR. ALLAN SEGAL
-Where the Sound Matters Most(tm)-





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 Re: Forget about barrels, mouthpieces, reed conditioners
Author: Morrigan 
Date:   2007-04-12 00:57

Maybe I'm just totally missing something and having a blonde moment, but... Is that site actually SERIOUS?!

Obviously I'm not listening with 'pleasure'...



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 Re: Forget about barrels, mouthpieces, reed conditioners
Author: skygardener 
Date:   2007-04-12 07:19

remember- when you study science in college you get a 'B.S.'.

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 Re: Forget about barrels, mouthpieces, reed conditioners
Author: Ken Shaw 2017
Date:   2007-04-12 14:40

And when you get the next degree, it's an M.S. (More of the Same).
And then you get a Ph.D. (Piled Higher and Deeper).

Also, remember that X = the unknown, and a spurt is a drip under pressure.
Therefore, an expert is. . . .

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 Re: Forget about barrels, mouthpieces, reed conditioners
Author: CEC 
Date:   2007-04-12 16:38

Yes, the site is quite serious, I'm afraid (I sold consumer electronics for about a decade), and this guy has been around for quite a while - he's obviously selling this nonsense to someone.

That said, don't discount the coloring of compact disc edges and the center hole with a marker. Ed Meitner proved the effect on digital playback via measurement back in the late 80's.

http://www.emmlabs.com/html/about/ed.html

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 Re: Forget about barrels, mouthpieces, reed conditioners
Author: rsholmes 
Date:   2007-04-12 18:02

CEC wrote:

> That said, don't discount the coloring of compact disc edges
> and the center hole with a marker. Ed Meitner proved the effect
> on digital playback via measurement back in the late 80's.
>
> http://www.emmlabs.com/html/about/ed.html

http://www.snopes.com/music/media/marker.htm

"Ranada confirmed his assertion by connecting a digital error counter to a CD player to compare data errors produced during playback of both colored and uncolored discs. He found no difference between the two types of discs at any portion of their surfaces -- inner rim, outer rim, or middle. He also tried coloring only half the circumference of a disc and using an oscilloscope to analyze the signal picked up by the laser. The scope showed no difference between the patterns produced by the colored and uncolored halves of the disc."

In addition to which, assertions about late 80's optical playback technology do not necessarily apply to present day technology...



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 Re: Forget about barrels, mouthpieces, reed conditioners
Author: rsholmes 
Date:   2007-04-12 18:03

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 Re: Forget about barrels, mouthpieces, reed conditioners
Author: CEC 
Date:   2007-04-12 18:45

1) The assertion made at Snopes is that the marker tweak is somehow affecting bit count. This is obviously incorrect. Ed Meitner discovered that the marker affected the ***timing*** of the data (commonly refered to as "jitter", which later causes amplitude errors in the analog domain). Presumably by reducing light scatter.

2) I have close to two decade's worth of experience experimenting with these types of tweaks. Note that all of the referred articles were written in 1990, when the concept of jitter was scoffed at by most in the industry. Since then, the importance of accurate timing throughout digital playback and recording chains is recognized by all within the industry. Vibration control, temperature control, more accurate data clocks (from steady refinement of Input Receivers by Crystal Semiconductor, TI, et al, to brute force approaches such as Don Moses' Rubidium Plasma Master Clock), reclocking technologies such as the use of Phase Locked Loops, First-In, First-Out buffers, more sophisticated means of moving data between and within components (separate data and clock lines, impedence optimized transmission lines, etc.) and many other factors have been proven to have effects on both playback and recording quality (Meitner's measurements, Bascom H. King's measurements of jitter spectra and periodic jitter. Bob Stuart, Paul McGowan, Kevin Halverson and others have demonstrated these phenomena via measurement). Interestingly, as these mechanisms of jitter induction became better understood, less expensive playback equipment (not just crazily expensive, ridiculously over-built high-end "salon" products) became dramatically better sounding.

3) As jitter became widely recognized and dealt with in a more and more effective manner by engineers in their design of components, the effectiveness of peculiar approaches to jitter control such as green pens, became less and less.

4) There is plenty of snake oil in the high-end hi-fi biz, no doubt. It was not the case in this instance.

5) I have no desire to get into an argument over this. :)

Regards,

Chris



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 Re: Forget about barrels, mouthpieces, reed conditioners
Author: seafaris 
Date:   2007-04-12 19:58

I was going to try the memory foil, but after it arrived I forgot where I put it!

...Jim

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