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 Arranging a piece
Author: thegreatestmusician 
Date:   2006-08-22 11:45

I am planning to form a trio for my school's commencement contest and I will be planning to play Beethoven's trio for clarinet, piano and cello, op. 11. Has anybody perform this piece before? I might find it hard to find a good cellist to accompany me in this piece. What other instrument you might arrange the cello part for?

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: Mike Clarinet 
Date:   2006-08-22 14:56

How about bassoon or bass clarinet?

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: David Peacham 
Date:   2006-08-22 18:19

"I might find it hard to find a good cellist to accompany me in this piece."

Say that, and you'll find it harder still.

The cello doesn't accompany you. It's a trio.

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: Chris P 
Date:   2006-08-22 18:51

I reckon bass clarinet may win over bassoon - though both are viable substitutes for want of a competent 'cello player.

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: PE Bb 
Date:   2006-08-22 19:07

You can listen to a stream of the Beethoven played with a basson here:
http://saintpaulsunday.publicradio.org/programs/557/
courtesy of American Public Media

Paul



Post Edited (2006-08-22 19:32)

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: thechosenone 
Date:   2006-08-23 01:22

I played this with a bassoon before without any major hurdles, the only downside being that a bassoon is sometimes not as loud as a cello in loud passages.

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: diz 
Date:   2006-08-23 06:15

Personally I'm with DP on this, hunt the cellist out. Substitute rarely sound effective.

Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2006-08-23 23:37

I love the sound of a sweetly played trombone. Would that be out of the question here?

Alexi - never arranged, but just wondering what other more experienced would think about this as a substitute for the cello in that piece.

US Army Japan Band

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: clarnibass 
Date:   2006-08-24 05:22

Clarinet, trombone and piano sounds like a great group! I don't this specific piece to say if it will work, but original thinking like Alexi's here is always good to maybe find something interesting.

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: bravissima82 
Date:   2006-08-24 05:48

I think you will have an easier time finding a good cellist than finding a good bass clarinetist or bassoonist.

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: diz 
Date:   2006-08-24 06:46

Trombone's a bad idea ... it's a foul brass instrument for starters and Beethoven only ever used them twice (Sym 5 and Sym 9) and certainly never in his chamber music.

If all else fails - (i.e. all the good cellists drop dead) I'd use a Bassoon as a last resort.

Without music, the world would be grey, very grey.

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: David Peacham 
Date:   2006-08-24 08:04

diz wrote:

"Trombone's a bad idea ... it's a foul brass instrument for starters and Beethoven only ever used them twice (Sym 5 and Sym 9) and certainly never in his chamber music."

It would take a staggeringly good trombonist to play this music effectively, that's for sure.

But, oddly enough, Beethoven did write chamber music for trombone: the Equali for trombone quartet.

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Not sure whether diz is saying: "it's a brass instrument, and brass instruments are foul" or "among all brass instruments, it's one of the foul ones". Either way, he must have heard me playing.

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 Re: Arranging a piece
Author: sfalexi 
Date:   2006-08-24 17:09

Perhaps french horn would be an alternative? Works well in wind quintet, and has enough of a range I believe. And probably wouldn't be too hard to blend.

But then again, as Diz seems to dislike the trombone, I tend to dislike the bassoon so that's why I'm thinking of OTHER alternatives.

Alexi

US Army Japan Band

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