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Re: Converting to double lip embouchure

Author: MKilpatrick
Date: 2020-02-03 22:29

Ruben, just to clarify: in your reply to me you said "Hodges...just thrust his lips forward".

What I said was "downwards", not forwards, and downwards is distinct from "curling over the teeth". I think "forward" suggests a pout and that certainly won't work for either clarinet or sax?

Perhaps my use of the phrase "the embouchure was very forward" was rather misleading. And to be honest it's not always easy to judge how much lower lip a player has curled over the lower teeth either.

People have said that Harry Carney (baritone sax) played double-lipped too. Any photograph of Carney makes it obvious that the upper lip is not curled over the upper teeth but it is never obvious whether the downwards pressure from the upper lip is such that the upper teeth are not in contact with the mouthpiece.

I've also tried looking at the embouchure's of Duke Ellington's musicians on clarinet (Carney, Jimmy Hamilton, Russell Procope) although you really can't see much from poor-quality films such as this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDVZdZMCc0w

I've also tried working out how much lower lip-curling Russell Procope does -see a couple of minutes into this clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v-0P5bpg54

Michael

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