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 RE: ? I thought an R-13 was an R-13 ?
Author: Jack Kissinger 
Date:   2003-01-16 04:54

As a general design characteristic, using a needle spring on the C#/G# key is not a new development. I have a Boehm system C clarinet made by Laubé (which, according to Langwell's ceased operations in 1898) that uses a needle spring on the C#/G# key. It appears to be original. I also have a couple of early Evettes (Sponsored by ...) and an Evette & Schaeffer probably from the 1930's (A-prefix, no adjusting screw on the A key) all of which have needle springs. On the other hand, I have 3 pre-1970 R13's,

76xxx
89xxx (A)
104xxx

All have flat springs. I bought the first two new in the 1960's. If, in fact, there was a change in the spring associated with the Carre R13, the evidence I have seen in the posts above (Madvax, Vytas and others) suggests that it was *from* a needle spring *to* a flat spring rather than the reverse, with an eventual return to the needle spring around 115xxx - 125xxx. In any case, it appears to me that Buffet changed from the needle spring to the flat spring for some of their models sometime in the early 50's. It may or may not have been connected with the Carre model.

BTW, the last time I looked at the Boosey site, they had changed the estimated date of introduction for the Carre clarinet from 1955 to 1950. It sounds, however, as though the instrument remained a work-in-progress until at least 1955. Of course, they could be wrong ..... (As I look at this thread, I think the only thing I can really conclude from all this "evidence" is that I have too many clarinets.)

Best regards,
jnk

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