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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000386.txt from 2005/05

From: <cjarrett1@-----.com>
Subj: Re: RE: [kl] Wagner!
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 17:04:12 -0400

Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: <robink7@-----.net>
To: <klarinet@-----.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: RE: [kl] Wagner!

> This is getting very political and overwhelming. Enough already about
> Wagner...... I know... let us talk about Clarinets!!!!!
>
> Robin
>>
>> From: "Matthew Lloyd" <matthew@-----.uk>
>> Date: 2005/05/24 Tue PM 04:26:33 EDT
>> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
>> Subject: RE: [kl] Wagner!
>>
>> This is, I am afraid to say, complete tosh.
>>
>> I'd be surprised if any musician would agree that "his music expresses
>> the most beauty and passion of any composer past or present". Mozart?
>> Need I say more?
>>
>> I have to say I have difficulty knowing exactly where to start with the
>> rest. How the statements "his music expresses the most beauty and
>> passion of any
>> composer past or present" and "money couldn't pay me to sit through long
>> hours of Wagner's operas" are supposed to sit side by side in the same
>> paragraph is something that I cannot explain. Or understand. Nonsense
>> like this - and it is nonsense whether you like Wagner or not - makes me
>> wonder what sort of institution John Sheridan went to.
>>
>> Now I have - recently - "[sat] through long hours of Wagner's operas"
>> and currently hold tickets for Covent Garden to see Walkure (twice) and
>> Siegfried (twice), having seen Rheingold (twice), Walkure (twice),
>> Parsifal, Tristan and Meistersinger in the last couple of seasons. I saw
>> my first Wagner opera at the English National Opera when I was 14 - and
>> that was Gotterdammerung. Until you have seen opera in the theatre, you
>> can't really say that you have experienced the work. So for someone to
>> profess love for the Wagnerian music drama, but not to want see it in
>> the opera house? Madness. You, Mr. Sheridan, are an ignorant critic if
>> you maintain the nonsense you wrote.
>>
>> The Bridal Chorus thing is a red herring. Played on an organ it has very
>> little Wagner left in it. And a lot of people want it simply because
>> it's "traditional". (I went for the March of the Priests from
>> Zauberflote - now becoming a family tradition!)
>>
>> I don't want to be thought of as a Wagner enthusiast first and foremost.
>> I would give every note he wrote for Die Zauberflote. Indeed I'd give
>> every note Wagner wrote for the March of the Priests! Neither would I
>> profess to be particularly knowledgeable - although I feel that seeing
>> each instalment of the Ring twice is allowing me to gain some insight
>> into this complex work.
>>
>> Now I know that a lot of people dislike Wagner for both music and
>> non-musical reasons. That's fair enough. I don't agree with them,
>> although I have a great deal of sympathy for some of the non-musical
>> objections, but I respect their opinion. In essence this response isn't
>> about music, but about clear thinking. And in your case, Mr. Sheridan,
>> the lack of it.
>>
>> Like or dislike Wagner as you please. But you don't like it if all you
>> experience is what Newman referred to as bleeding chunks.
>>
>> Matthew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John W. Sheridan [mailto:otare@-----.au]
>> Sent: 24 May 2005 08:01
>> To: klarinet@-----.org
>> Subject: [kl] Wagner!
>>
>> I haven't written to this group in a number of years, but this Wagner
>> slamming has got my pressure up. I totally agree the man was NOT a nice
>> guy - so what! His music expresses the most beauty and passion of any
>> composer past or present that I am aware of, and I have a university
>> degree
>> in the field! What person involved in music could deny the magic of
>> Liebestod from Tristan and Isolde, the majestic and stirring themes like
>> Ride of the Valkeries, Lohengrin, and others. The Pilgrims' Chorus
>> from
>> Tannhauser in monumental as a religious hymn. If our half vast critic
>> has
>> been married and marched in to the Bridal Chorus, then he's being two
>> faced
>> as well as a bigot!
>> While money couldn't pay me to sit through long hours of Wagner's
>> operas, he
>> has to his credit added immeasurable to our rich music heritage. In
>> being
>> so ignorantly critical of music he isn't familiar with, our critic has
>> proven himself equally offensive as the man he so strongly criticizes.
>> Enough is enough.
>>
>> John W. Sheridan
>>
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