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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000051.txt from 2005/04

From: "cpringle" <>
Subj: Re: [kl] Prokofiev's Overture (was: Concert Announcement)
Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 09:17:38 -0400

How about "Kike"? - a Jewish rep I once had in NY, told
me that "only a klutz pays gentile"!! any informed person will
know that our culture is Judeo-Christian and the Torah is
probably the worlds most basic book on Religion and Philosophy, and the
dominant factor in civilization.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lelia Loban" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 6:57 AM
Subject: [kl] Prokofiev's Overture (was: Concert Announcement)

> Sarah Elbaz wrote,
> >Be carful people not to fall into the trap of Nazi
> >terminology.
> >Its the same as using the terms - 1/4 Jew or half
> >Jew- such thing doesn't exsists. Same with Yid -
> >it only means Jew - the Nazis gave it many other
> >meanings but we shouldn't let them win.
> >Use Yid and Jew as much as you want - its ok.
> I understand the point you're making, and I agree, on a philosophical
> level, about not letting the Nazis win. However, I think there must be
> some language differences between what's acceptable in Israel and what's
> acceptable in the USA. I'm not talking about what "ought to" be
> acceptable, but simply about what is or is not acceptable: In the USA,
> when English is being spoken, "Yid" is a fighting word, literally. Tough
> guys here call a Jew a Yid in order to start a fight. Though friends in
> the USA may sometimes toss an insulting word around in private as a weird
> form of bonding, I would never use that particular word, even with my
> husband, because I'd be afraid that calling him a Yid, even in jest, even
> after 35 years of a good marriage, could erode the relationship. I'm in
> mid- 50s, have lived all over the USA, and have never in my life heard the
> word Yid used in public here as anything but an insult. I've never heard
> it used by anybody except a bigot or a Jewish comedian making fun of a
> bigot.
> People here do use the word "Jew" all the time, but the red flag on that
> word is that "Jew" is a noun meaning a Jewish person and shouldn't be used
> as any other part of speech in the USA. In the USA, most of those other
> usages are highly offensive, such as, "He jewed him down on the price,"
> "She has those Jew ideas." I have heard "Jew" used casually as an
> adjective by Jews in one limited, humorous context: my Jewish husband and
> his family sometimes refer to "Jew food," as in, "Where can we get a
> corned beef sandwich in this town? Is there any place around here that
> serves Jew food?" I don't use that expression, because I'm not Jewish and
> I want to be sure I'm not misinterpreted.
> Lelia Loban
> "I always pass on good advice. It is the only thing to do with it. It is
> never any use to oneself."
> --Oscar Wilde, _An Ideal Husband_.
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