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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000405.txt from 2004/12

From: "Keith" <>
Subj: [kl] Re: Klocker doing too many cadenzas?
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 16:38:15 -0500

Thanks Dan.

Groves doesn't count. It is not a primary source. I asked how we knew, not
what the 20th C writer in Groves believed. He or she may of course have
cited primary, contemporary sources. In any event, the second part of your
answer gave just the information I was looking for.

Keith Bowen

>From: "dnleeson" <>
Subject: =?us-ascii?Q?RE:_Klocker_doing_too_many_cadenzas?=
Message-ID: <>

>The definition of how a composer requested a cadenza in the
classic and much of the romantic period can be found in Groves,
or for that matter, almost any book on form. But even if no
description survived, one could figure out what a "request for a
cadenza" was by using the Mozart piano concerti as teaching
examples. You would have to figure that if he creates a tonic
chord in the second inversion and sticks a fermata symbol in at
that point, and he does exactly that about 40 times in his
various concerti (some of which have two or even three cadenzas
in them), then empirically one can conclude that that that had to
be the officially understood and only mechanism for indicating
the presence of a cadenza at that point in the composition.

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