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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000386.txt from 2004/12

From: "dnleeson" <dnleeson@-----.net>
Subj: RE: [kl] Klocker
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:42:18 -0500

Sorry Fred. What did I say that was not clear?

Dan Leeson
DNLeeson@-----.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Fred [mailto:fred.sheim@-----.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:44 PM
To: klarinet@-----.org
Subject: RE: [kl] Klocker

Huh?

Fred

At 06:01 PM 12/30/2004, you wrote:
>There are really two issues involved in this question, the first
>of which cannot be answered on the basis of taste.
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>Does Klocker execute a cadenza at the place(s) indicated by the
>composer? That's easy enough to figure out. A cadenza is called
>for by the intersection of two events: (1) there must a fermata
>indicating a pause of indefinite duration while the cadenza is
>executed; (2) the underlying chord structure must be a tonic
>chord in the second inversion; i.e., with the fifth in the bass.
>So if the composer requests five cadenzas in the manner just
>described and Klocker creates them at the five places indicated,
>the answer to your question is "No." In fact one could argue
that
>if he did only four cadenzas he is underachieving rather than
>overachieving.
>
>But if the fermata occurs and the underlying chord structure is
>not a tonic chord in the second inversion (but is instead a
>dominant seventh chord), and Klocker interprets this as if it
>were a request for a cadenza (instead of a request for an
>Eingang, or lead in), then the answer to your question is "Yes."
>But somehow, I don't Klocker misundstands the situation, so that
>gives rise to the second of the two issues involved.
>
>Let's assume that he is putting cadenzas in where they have been
>called for. Then we leave the safe world of classical form and
>enter the world of subjective opinion; i.e., are his cadenzas
>intelligent?, do they do what they are supposed to do?; is the
>length of each cadenza adequate and neither too long nor too
>short?; has he created a cadenzas whose purpose it is to show
>only his technical skill and command of the instrument?; blah,
>blah, blah?
>
>As for answering this second issue, I can't respond unless I
>heard him do two performances of the same work. That statement
is
>made seriously. If two performances had him executing the same
>cadenzas again, that is one perspective to be discussed. If the
>cadenzas change from performance to performance, that is another
>issue.
>
>So which question are you asking?
>
>Why do you always answer a question with a question?
>
>Who always answers a question with a question?
>
>Dan Leeson
>DNLeeson@-----.net
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Fred [mailto:fred.sheim@-----.net]
>Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:45 PM
>To: klarinet@-----.org
>Subject: [kl] Klocker
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>Does anyone feel that Dieter Klocker cadenzas everything to
>death? Is this
>really appropriate?
>
>Fred
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