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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000081.txt from 2004/12

From: kimi <kimi_kimy@-----.com>
Subj: Fwd: RE: [kl] Serial Number on old Clarinet
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:10:25 -0500

I think you might just find this interesting!

Has to do with the Pan American Conn Rosewood
clarinet.

Conn Pan American

This is from David Mack Endres, dmendres@-----.com:

My curiosity piqued again by the recent post by Mark
Charette, which contained information contradicting
what I had been told about the line of Pan American
clarinets, I decided to do some digging. I called UMI
(Conn) in Elkhart, and the person in customer service
told me they had NO SERIAL NUMBER lists for Pan
Americans. The Conn serial numbers on woodwind.org are
not relevant to Pan American clarinets, so it is not
vintage 1926. I was referred to the Shrine to Music
Museum (anyone heard of this museum? Their phone
number is 605-677-5306).
I contacted the museum, and was told the following:
The instruments in question are actually "Violin
Finish" clarinets manufactured for the Conn Pan
American student line. Production started soon after
WWII as Conn got it's instrument lines running. They
were manufactured from 1947 until 1949 or 1950.
Records were destroyed so no serial number information
is available. They are indeed a wood laminate. They
would have probably been successful but a bad batch of
wood was used and they got a reputation for cracking.
As a consequence of this bad reputation the line
eventually died. I find this striking because I had
been informed by a instrument salesman familiar with
the line that they had been guaranteed never to crack!

In summary, these "rosewood" look Pan American
clarinets were a brief post war experiment in
producing wood laminate clarinets with the durability
of plastic (resonite) and an attractive finish. The
experiment failed failed, possibly without good
reason. I have heard various claims about their
desirability as collector items, but the Museum could
shed no light on this point.

Personally, I like mine, but not as well as my pre-R13
Buffet. The keywork and intonation are decidedly
inferior. The tone is almost as good as the Buffet,
though - without entering into mysticism, and without
a spectrum analyzer I can say no more about the sound
quality. I use it as a spare and when camping. And, I
suppose one could claim I'm "collecting" it.
I found this on
http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Equipment/HowOld/BBBC.html

K

--- kimi <kimi_kimy@-----.com> wrote:

> Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 20:00:17 -0800 (PST)
> From: kimi <kimi_kimy@-----.com>
> To: klarinet@-----.org
> Subject: RE: [kl] Serial Number on old Clarinet
>
> Is there another site that shows this kind of
> information concerning serial numbers of other
> brands
> of clarinets.
>
> We are looking at a (I believe it's a Kahn) rosewood
> clarinet and I'm curious as to its age for one thing
> and the other thing is whether or not it was a
> decent
> clarinet or one filled with issues. There seems to
> be
> some kind of issue with getting it to tune.
>
> Thanks
> Kathy
> p.s.s.......
> This is all the markings that I can find on the
> clarinet itself.
> 142327
> pan-american
> div.c.g.conn'.ltd.u.s.a.
>
> So any ideas?
> Thanks
>
> --- Matthew Lloyd <matthew@-----.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Anyone got the new URL for the Music Group serial
> > number look up page?
> > Buffet seem to be part of a new site now...
> >
> > Matthew
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Emily Heisterkamp
> > [mailto:hotamales@-----.com]
> > Sent: 04 December 2004 23:20
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: [kl] Serial Number on old Clarinet
> >
> > Hello List,
> >
> > I am a senior music education major (graduating in
> > May) and I am
> > considering
> > pursuing different directions in my playing. I
> have
> > come across a
> > Buffet
> > R13 clarinet in A by accident. It is in great
> > condition, good action,
> > good
> > tone, farely decent intonation for only $1800.
> For
> > as much future
> > playing
> > on this instrument goes, my private instructor and
> I
> > decide it is the
> > right
> > price. However, we were wondering if anyone knows
> > what year it is based
> > on
> > the serial number 82644? Thanks so much in
> advance
> > for your help!
> >
> > Emily Heisterkamp
> > Northwest Missouri State University
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Touch the Mind, Kiss the Heart, Embrace the Soul, Live, Laugh, Love!

He says that she says that you say that i said that this person says

Never put your faith in people, you may be disappointed

I tried to kill the pain,
But only brought more,
(so much more)
I'm dying
And I'm pouring, crimson regret, and betrayal.

I'm dying, Praying, Bleeding, Screaming,
Am I too lost to be saved?
Am I too lost?

My wounds cry for the grave,
My soul cries for deliverance,
Will I be denied?
Christ! tourniquet! suicide.

Evanescence

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