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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000463.txt from 2004/08

From: "dnleeson" <>
Subj: RE: [kl] Original edition of 581
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 09:01:03 -0400

You have confused two words. "Authoritative" is not synonymous
with "authentic." I never suggested for one second that K. 581
is inauthentic. The stylistic considerations contained in the
compositions leave little doubt that the work is by Mozart. Plus,
the presence of the 4-measure incipit in his catalog of his own
music assure that he wrote the work.

The questions that were being posed had to do with the authority
of the text that is played. And I suggested (and continue to
suggest) that it is probably not authoritative because it
deviates in unknown ways from what Mozart wrote, something only
to be found in a document that no longer exists.

Now you owe me a burrito, two tacos, and a Carta Blanca beer,
with a dessert of sopapillas (spelling??) and honey.

Dan Leeson

-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Raibeck []
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: [kl] Original edition of 581

--- Ormondtoby Montoya <> wrote:

> Andy Raibeck wrote:
> > So isn't it really misleading to credit Mozart as the
> > composer? Wouldn't "by Anonymous, based on
> > ideas by W. A. Mozart"?
> It would be a very slippery slope, wouldn't it? Exactly where
> you draw the line?

[snip for brevity]

Well, I would be the first to admit that I am not sufficiently
informed to give
a scholarly answer. But based on what Dan Leeson wrote (quoted
here in part):

> My suspicion is that what we have is probably fiarly close to
> Mozart wrote. Judging from past experience that means about 20
> wrong notes, 100-200 wrong dynamics, 5 incorrect rhythms, and
> one knows how many incorrect phrase shapes. And that is
> close" but is it authoritative??

I'd say that this is sufficient to credit it to Mozart. As
opposed to if Dan
had written something like, "My suspicion is that what we have
probably bears
little resemblance to to what Mozart actually wrote. Where's my



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