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Klarinet Archive - Posting 001057.txt from 2003/06

From: "Wendy" <>
Subj: RE: [kl] Unfixing the words
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:26:34 -0400

>your purposes, because as you point out, context is not only physical,
>but can be created by an individual. "Stone walls do not a prison make,
>nor iron bars a cage."

But Jim Croce said "Because stone walls do a prison
Make iron bars a cage
Any man who says they don't
Never been inside
Cause in time the bars get closer
And at night the walls grow tighter
Do you feel like there's a shackle around your mind?

Have a Nice Day!!
Wendy :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Pay []
Subject: [kl] Unfixing the words

On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 11:58:25 -0700, said:

> > > An inconvienience. ;-)
> > > Sue
> >
> > I think it's a shame to spoil a genuine insight -- that all these
> > words require a context in order to have any real meaning -- just in
> > order to make a flip remark. Do you not see that if you choose
> > another word, in your case 'inconvenience', it remains true that
> > what is an inconvenience in one context may be a matter of life and
> > death in another?
> My point was, that we all have inconvenient situations now and then.
> We can whine about it, or we can suck it up make the best of it,
> because there are always going to be those that are worse off, and I
> can't see feeling sorry for ourselves over little things like this.

Yes. And it's even true that the realisation you describe here may be
the best thing to say to someone 'worse off' -- what you want to call,
'handicapped' -- because if they take it on board, it empowers them.

How that works, you'll agree, is that they see that it's the *context*
in which they hold it that determines the actual effect on them of
whatever's being described as a handicap. So the realisation is that
it's not that some things are handicaps, others inconveniences. They're
all just 'what is' -- which unfixes the absolute meaning of the words,
as per Joe's post. Then, the truth about Joe's post can be used for
your purposes, because as you point out, context is not only physical,
but can be created by an individual. "Stone walls do not a prison make,
nor iron bars a cage."

> >'s foolish -- and may even be cruel -- for a teacher to insist
> > that someone does it 'their' way.
> I agree. So, get a different teacher.

So it seems to me that it just comes down to the idea that what you want
to say depends on who you're saying it to. Christy wants to talk to the
teachers, you want to talk to the disempowered students. Trouble is,
it's difficult to see that in this medium.

But, if I'm not mistaken, you're agreed on this now, no?-)

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