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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000654.txt from 2003/06

From: "Jason Spradlin" <jaspradlin@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Political postings - ON topic
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:26:37 -0400

They say that the two things you don't want to bring in to a pleasant
conversation are Religion and Politics. I normally agree. But I think
there is a third in this case, and that would be Vibrato.

Jason Spradlin
Roswell, Georgia

----- Original Message -----
From: "LARISA DUFFY & DAVID DOW" <DUFFYL@-----.CA>
Subject: Re: [kl] Political postings - ON topic

> Corruption in politics is real. Death is real. Music is real. Do they
> relate. No! Can music make the world
> more pieaceful place...doubt it because human nature is generally in
> preferance of hiring crooked politicians who are slime buckets....if you
> think politicians are Angels i woould think again.
>
> For Example. Does the US have enough weapons to blow up the world Yes
>
> . Did the US find the weapons of Mass Destruction NO....is Bush a
> reprobate...Yes.
>
> In Canada we have had so many problems with Trust and Government I think
you
> have to be careful when you go on a MORAL CRUSADE against EVIL DOERs
> because its so easy for these people to become EVIL in an extraordinary
way.
> Amd I mean politicians....
>
> What does this have to do with music....well the THIRD Reich also
> championed the cause of music and if it takes another refrain of GOD BLESS
> AMERICA to blow out another STRONGHOLD in IRAQ THEN I geuss I AM NOT
> GOING on to play that song....
>
> It looks like another Vietnam, and I remember all too well how such
forays
> end up in Everyone losing.....
>
> I also think we don't need a McDonald's in Bagdad....----- Original
> Message -----
> From: "Brash, Alexander" <BrashA@-----.org>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 8:41 AM
> Subject: RE: [kl] Political postings - ON topic
>
>
> > I agree,
> > There's a huge danger in saying things like "we're musicians and
> > artists first." I don't understand how you can feel like that. We're
human
> > beings first, living in a real world. Art, Music, and politics are not
> these
> > separate entities. Trying to separate yourself from the real world is
> folly.
> > Something a little disturbing: I recently spoke with a friend at
the
> > Aspen music festival who didn't know about the riots in Michigan.
> Moreover,
> > they hadn't read or seen a newspaper. In response to my shock, she
> informed
> > me that "it's a pretty insulated place, no one really cares about that
> > stuff." I hope that's not true.
> >
> > Alexander Michael Brash
> > Education Dept, New York Philharmonic
> > 10 Lincoln Center Plaza, 5th Floor
> >
> > phone (212) 875 - 5735
> > cell (646) 284 - 0439
> > email brasha@-----.org
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Matthew Lloyd [mailto:Matthew@-----.uk]
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 11:15 AM
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: [kl] Political postings - ON topic
> >
> > Some of the greatest musicians have been political - look at Toscanini
> > for a start. Didn't he do concerts at Madison Square to raise money - as
> > a patriotic Italian -- for the American War effort? Having told
> > Mussolini where to shove it?
> >
> > What is art for if not to improve the human condition? Or do you follow
> > Wilde and feel that it is ornamental?
> >
> > Beethoven IX?
> > Fidelio?
> > Figaro?
> >
> > Ornamental? Nahh - POLITICAL
> >
> > Matthew Lloyd
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LARISA DUFFY & DAVID DOW [mailto:DUFFYL@-----.CA]
> > Sent: 20 June 2003 19:55
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
> >
> > I think politics should be banished from this board for once and
> > all...this
> > is not the place for any of these. We are musicians and artists
> > first....
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Brash, Alexander" <BrashA@-----.org>
> > To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:01 AM
> > Subject: RE: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
> >
> >
> > We handle the problem like this: playing in an AMERICAN "tradition." As
> > Stravinsky said in his Charles Eliot Norton lectures at Harvard:
> >
> >
> > 'A real tradition is not the relic of a past irretrievably gone; it is a
> > living force that animates and informs the present. (...) Far from
> > implying
> > the repetition of what has been, tradition presupposes the reality of
> > what
> > endures. (...) Tradition ensures the continuity of creation. (...) A
> > renewal
> > is fruitful only when it goes hand in hand with tradition.'
> >
> > I think this quote outlines very well (among other things) the spirit of
> > the
> > American clarinet. We take established schools and traditions and let
> > them
> > inform us as we continuously evolve. This is why the principal players
> > in
> > our orchestras are not deadly boring musicians, ie Leister. And speaking
> > of
> > "relics of the past irretrievably gone"...ummm where are the women in
> > your
> > orchestras? I know they're trickling in, but I wonder how female German
> > clarinetists feel about the male dominated German school. Oh wait! I
> > know
> > what they do! They become soloists instead and then come over here and
> > play!
> >
> >
> > You wrote:
> > Seriously, I think we are missing something, historically speaking. Over
> > here it would be totally unthinkable to use vibrato (at least in
> > Austro/German chamber music) and I must say that it DOES sound FAR
> > better
> > than the less restrictive performance practice...
> >
> > Please prove to me it sounds far better. See Mr. Cohler's article for
> > some
> > discussion of his own experiments with non musicians, and asking them
> > which
> > tone quality they prefer. Let me see something similar from you.
> >
> > By the way, I can think of several great places to shove my freedom
> > horn.
> >
> >
> > Alexander Michael Brash
> > Education Dept, New York Philharmonic
> > 10 Lincoln Center Plaza, 5th Floor
> >
> > phone (212) 875 - 5735
> > cell (646) 284 - 0439
> > email brasha@-----.org
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ferengizâde daniêl shawqy [mailto:rab@-----.de]
> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 7:21 AM
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
> >
> > No!
> > Clarinet and vibrato! How could a civilized Conductor tolerate such a
> > gross
> > abuse of the noblest of all wind instruments? I think in Germany you'd
> > get
> > lynched if you'd dare to try even the most subtle vibrato.
> > Yet,
> > the great Muehlfeld (for whom Brahms wrote his late parts) was reported
> > to
> > have played with more vibrato than the cellist of the Joachim
> > quartet....
> >
> > Seriously, I think we are missing something, historically speaking. Over
> > here it would be totally unthinkable to use vibrato (at least in
> > Austro/German chamber music) and I must say that it DOES sound FAR
> > better
> > than the less restrictive performance practice... maybe one day we'll
> > have
> > to acknowledge that the modern Austrogerman Clarinet and it's playing
> > tradition is in fact a different instrument and should be given a
> > different
> > name or rather the French/Italian instrument should be called "claroe",
> > "clarott", "claroon" "clareek" or something like that...
> > BTW, may I ask how US players handle the problem of playing an
> > instrument
> > that is either French or German in tradition (i.e. evil in any case) --
> > Did
> > you have to rename it "freedom horn" or did someone come up with a new
> > "redneck"-system?
> > Regards,
> > danyel
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Deidre Calarco
> > To: klarinet@-----.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 8:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [kl] Vibrato on the Clarinet
> >
> >
> > On 6/18/03 1:48 PM, "Jimmy Lee" <jrlaudio@-----.net> wrote:
> >
> > > a conductor that does not want clarinets to use vibrator is a
> > > loser
> >
> > ROFL
> >
> > I agree. It's none of the conductor's business if the clarinetists like
> > to
> > use vibrators. That's personal!
> >
> > (back to lurking)
> >
> > -Deidre
> >
> >
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