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Klarinet Archive - Posting 001116.txt from 2002/06

From: Jeremy A Schiffer <>
Subj: Re: [kl] constitution (was Music vs. drug testing)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 14:01:48 -0400

On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Bill Hausmann wrote:

> At 09:59 PM 6/29/2002 -0500, Kevin Callahan wrote:
> >Do you deny the constitution is a living document? That's the reason behind
> >such a document. Its writers understood that changing times required
> >changing intepretations of liberty.
> Actually, yes. I think the framers worked very hard to word the
> Constitution in such a manner as to PREVENT such changing interpretations.

in other words, in your view, we should return to the times of slavery,
segregation, and no universal suffrage? women should be denied the vote
because the original writers didn't include it? also, if that's your view,
then all the amendments should be stricken because they weren't originally
present at the moment the constitution was drafted.

also, what about the fact of changing technologies? when the constitution
was written, the telephone, let alone the computer and internet, weren't
quite invented yet. should we not have protections on these mediums as
well? given that the fbi has a rather sordid history of spying on domestic
(non-militant) groups, and infiltrating any group which may have some
ideas opposed to the current (at the time) government, you don't think
it's wise to limit the intelligence gathering abilities of law

i'm not too thrilled about the current world in which we live, but if our
leaders held the same views as bill, there would be federal agents on
every corner inspecting our national id cards to make sure we weren't
violating our conscripted movement patterns.


Jeremy A. Schiffer
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Columbia University
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