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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000047.txt from 2002/05

From: "Stacy-Michelle" <>
Subj: RE: [kl] Bad behavior on eBay auctions
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 23:29:03 -0400

I have experienced that as well and like the others said, I really didn't=

know that there was anything I could do about it, so I just moved on. Ho=
one thing I do want to share which is a similar practice called "shill"
bidding or something like that. It is when you bid on an item and obvious=
you are a serious bidder so maybe you get outbid a few times then rebid,
etc. Well what happened to me with a clarinet I purchased was that in th=
last couple minutes of the auction, someone out bid me, I re-bid, then wa=
outbid again, I re-bid and then in the last minute, I won the auction.
Not 5 minutes after the end of the auction, the seller was harrassing me
for the payment. Well this made me suspcisious because usually you have
5-7 days to make a payment arrangement. So I did research on the person
who was outbidding me and found out that the person had literally JUST si=
before bidding on that item. So I sent a message to eBay to research it
and it turned out that the IP address of the registrant, matched the same=

as the seller. So in the end, I got the clarinet about $600 less than th=
original win price, and the seller was banned from eBay, but just be care=
if you notice that happening as well.

>-- Original Message --
>Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 11:28:23 -0400
>Subject: [kl] Bad behavior on eBay auctions
>I just sent this e-mail to eBay, reporting what I consider actions of ve=
>dubious morality:
><<I want to report some behavior which will, if it continues, stop me fr=
>buying on eBay.
>Twice in recent auctions, I was out bid, in the last 20 seconds of the
>by someone who had never bid before.
>By the time one notices this, even when hitting the F5 key repeatedly,
>refresh the screen every 5 seconds or so. It is too late to bid again.
>Surely this is NOT what was intended when your service was put into plac=
>A real auction has a "going, going, Gone" warning for serious bidders.

>This lurking behavior, bidding only in the last few seconds, I view as
>dishonest and disgusting.
>I think that eBay needs to find a way to block this kind of behavior.
>Walter Grabner
>991 Wildwood Lane
>Highland Park, IL 60035
>I know some people think this is smart or clever behavior, but it is rea=
>p*****g ne off! Has anyone else had this experience, and if so, what hav=
>you done?


Stacy-Michelle Valentine

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