Klarinet Archive - Posting 000472.txt from 2001/07
From: Frank Garcia <fgarcia@-----.edu>
Subj: Re: [kl] Another musician honoured!
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 09:14:38 -0400
Oh brother... Where does a liberal start with this one?
A pox on you for suggesting censorship, for one thing. If you don't like
it, don't buy it. As far as kids go, *parents* should be the ones who
police, not some "board of censorship" whose morals, ethics or aesthetic
values I may or may not agree with. Please have the openmindedness to allow
people the freedom to create and listen to the "art" that they choose.
Their "art" may be different than your concept of "art". But, who died and
made you or anyone else King Policeman of the "Moral and Ethical Society
for Quality Control in the Music Insustry."
I am certainly glad that such an organization wasn't in place when Eminem
released his "song" "Stan." Art is in the eye of the beholder. To me, Stan
is a powerfully moving story. But perhaps we should line up people like
Eminem against a wall and stone them so that the people who don't or can't
see the "art" in such things will feel like they have "control" over
There are many artists who have come to our great nation to escape such
censorship and political oppression to have the freedom to create their
art. Schoenberg comes to mind immediately. Perhaps paralleling "classical
music" with popular music may make this clearer to those who don't
understand this perspective.
--On Tue, Jul 17, 2001 10:19 AM +0100 Tony Wakefield
> I have not been able to respond immediately to your many reactions to my
> statements re The Beatles. But first of all , thank you to Annie for her
> support, altho` I wasn`t altogether clear on what she was saying her
> reasons were. Frank was a bit blunt, but then I s`pose I asked for it,
> `cos he obviously sussed that I can also be a little like that myself.
> Then Annie and Frank started at each other`s throats enough for me not to
> be able to concentrate on my work :<(
> However, my voicing my dislike of the Beatles as guys in a band, - (NOT as
> songwriters I hasten to add) has served a purpose to ask if you would all
> care to think of this:-
> I think we all have some responsibility (as musicians ourselves) to enter
> the debate on what music and musicians we like or dislike, and to not only
> let each other know these preferences, but to widen our voice to include
> what we want, or more to the point, what we don`t want from the "Music
> Business". I leave the serious concert promoters alone in this instance
> as I would like (as we have been discussing the Beatles) to talk about the
> popular music business and the music media.They, I`m sure you`ll agree,
> are thrusting ever more "non music" in the direction of not only our
> youth, but the under 10`s also. There has to be an "end of the road" / or
> the "final straw" someday to some pretty disgusting and offensive song
> lyrics and music, and to warrant putting into effect something like
> government health warnings (as on cigarette packets) on C.D`s and live
> pop performances etc.
> The term "sex ,drugs and rock`n`roll" is all too familiar, and has indeed
> become an acceptable part of our lives, as long as it`s not in our own
> back yard. We`ve had the rock`n`roll; that has moved on and in my opinion
> deteriorated. We`ve had the drugs, and we now find it impossible to police
> this whole sordid business. We now have ever more and more sexual
> simulation and direct innuendo in our pop industry. This will, I`m sure
> become just as impossible to police, and soon we will have live sex in
> pop concerts. Although we already see it on T.V. and in continental
> clubs, this is perhaps another debate not directly relating to the music
> business. Now we are <all> in "music", and whether at college, in a
> symphony orchestra, or busking on the street, I think we all have a
> responsibility to voice this degeneration to all appropriate authorities
> more so than what we do at present. The pop industry is not at present
> policed in any way, but we allow that industry to serve up all it can to
> our young children. It is only <after> our kids, and ourselves have heard
> all the muck that we then decide to kick up a fuss. The film industry
> <is> policed. The censorship board looks at every single film before it
> is released.
> One might think that my ideas and hopes are pie in the sky and futile, but
> it <is> possible to turn the tide of thought at least, as a first step
> towards making real acceptable music again, and with real musicians and
> good singers. The music business "Barons" have ruled for far too long.
> They have, and are creating mega unacceptable trash which we, as
> "musicians" copy instrumentally, when we write out this stuff for our
> pupils to digest in the name of trendy music lessons.
> Tony W.
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