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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000427.txt from 2001/07

From: Frank Garcia <>
Subj: Re: [kl] Another musician honoured!
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:13:28 -0400

This note isn't even worth the effort of writing a reply. Some people are
*so* narrow minded.

--On Sun, Jul 15, 2001 7:40 PM +0100 Tony Wakefield
<> wrote:

> I was perhaps being a bit too conservative for some, in my view that a lot
> of the early rock`n`rollers were not <real> musicians, but little more
> than 3 chord merchants.
> They made music, yes, but buskers on the street make music, and they would
> be the first to admit that they are not musicians.
> Would you classify Elvis as a musician? Or Roy Orbison? They both were
> guitarists in that era and were both enormously successful. Or even the
> very early jazz players? Certainly the very early jazz "musicians" were
> not <real> "musicians", but gifted soloists` and improvisers who joined
> forces to <eventually> become more learned enough to then enable them to
> become, and call themselves musicians.
> If you listen quite carefully, (but perhaps there is even no need to do
> <this>), you will hear/discover that the Beatles as <musicians> were
> really quite rough, out of tune, and quite lacking in technique, let alone
> musicianship.
> Their obvious talent was in their song writing, singing, and visual
> dynamite. 60/70% of America`s and U.K.`s finest song writers could not be
> really be classified as "musicians" in the strictest meaning of the word -
> they were and are "song writers" and song writer/performers. Give them
> someone else`s songs or music to read or perform and they would flounder.
> I believe that we all too readily confuse these two different talents
> enough to frequently embarrass, unwittingly the rock and pop "musicians",
> (perhaps "performers" is a better term), but who have now taken this "non
> musicianship" several stages further down the line to think nothing of
> engaging <real> musicians to record their backing tracks, and still
> further down the line to record their backing tracks with no musicians at
> all present, but sequenced computer generated backings, not to mention the
> miming on "live"? performances. But some rock`n`rollers have taken up
> learning how to become fine musicians in their own right. Some now write
> serious music. Others write film scores etc. I don`t consider that John
> Lennon was of this calibre, - this is not a criticism, but due to the era
> and the demand for new music, opportunities that prevailed at that time
> allowed him and others to reap rewards for little <real musical> talent.
> Best,
> Tony W.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Charette" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: 15 July 2001 15:01
> Subject: Re: [kl] Another musician honoured!
>> From: "Tony Wakefield" <>
>> > I do know that he was <never> a <musician
>> Ow! Your definition and mine of a "musician" must have a heck of a gap.
>> Mark C.
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