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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000366.txt from 2001/05

From: (Tony Pay)
Subj: Re: [kl] Professor Wheeler's tongue
Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 17:34:27 -0400

On Sun, 13 May 2001 16:05:18 -0500, said:

> At 03:25 PM 05/13/2001 +0100, you wrote:
> > Though of course it's nice to be agreed with, in fact I said nothing
> > myself. I just reported what Professor Wheeler had said, and that I
> > found it interesting.
> >
> > In fact, if I understand Professor Wheeler properly, his point is
> > that we don't *know* whether what he says is correct or not.
> Unless someone has a proven method of a) identifying a student's
> specific tongue position at any given moment in their playing; b)
> showing that that specific, measureable tongue position is causing a
> specific problem; and c) proving that the student has moved to the
> specific position that solves the specific problem, we actually do
> know that what Wheeler reported/concluded regarding the inability for
> the concept to be "taught" is correct.


Wheeler claims that even expert players don't know what their tongue is
doing unless they use similar technology to the technology he used.
That's what I meant by saying "we don't *know* whether what he says is
correct or not."

The 'we' applies to all of us.

So, if you accept what he says, then tongue position *can't* be taught
directly, because even if you say the right thing, students don't know
whether or not they're following your instructions.

I think it's interesting information that what some teachers have always
told their students may be contrary to the facts.

The question is, is Wheeler right?

It all depends on whether you believe his experimental results. It
*doesn't* depend on your own experience.

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