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Klarinet Archive - Posting 001065.txt from 2001/02

From: Feanor <>
Subj: [kl] Landler of Mozart Ornamented
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 12:22:16 -0500

Well, this is quite a fascinating discussion of the Mozart Quintet.

Another characteristic I have noticed of all the Landler I've heard is that
they seem to have a lot of arpeggios. I think perhaps it's like the music
is leaping like a dancer.

My understanding of tempos is that a Menuett is quite slow - quarter note
equalling anywhere from 100 down to 80. I know that modern practice has
everyone playing faster, but perhaps those of you who dance Menuetts can
tell us what a good tempo is. The Menuetts I've seen danced were in this
tempo, and there is a wonderful recording of the Gran Partitta (notice
corrected spelling, per earlier discussion) with Moyese coaching that has
the first menuett in this tempo. Quite good when done with the kind of
phrasing that tempo requires.
I've always understood a Menuett to be felt in Three, where a Landler would
be in a slow one, in a similar tempo with the emphasis on the First beat (I
know a previous post recommended Three and cited the Brahms f minor sonata
second strain, third movement - I'd like to see you pulse the third beat of
bar three of that strain! - I think the Polonaise/Polacca is the one that
gets the third beat emphasis)

Anyway, I wanted to tie this in to the recent discussion of ornamenting
Mozart. I enjoy ornamenting, and the menuett of the quintet is a
delightful place to do so, since you play the "A" theme of the Menuett
EIGHT times. Here's your opportunity to make each one different.

I have been fortunate to play with some fine groups on this, but I have not
had the pleasure of playing with a quartet yet who would agree with me
about tempo and ornamentation. I think I'll be playing with one soon who
will, here in Seattle!

Enjoy the piece with your new eyes and ears. I know I will.

Sean Osborn, clarinetist - retired, Metropolitan Opera Orchestra

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