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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000499.txt from 2001/02

From: Mark Charette <charette@-----.org>
Subj: Re: [kl] Re: ezmlm warning
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 19:17:21 -0500

On Tue, 13 Feb 2001, Tony Wakefield wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Charette" <charette@-----.org>
> To: <klarinet@-----.org>
> Sent: 13 February 2001 13:36
> Subject: Re: [kl] Re: ezmlm warning
>
> Mark,
> The <top> reads "ezmlm warning". What does that mean please?

Your very first message from this list was a greeting from "ezmlm", the EZ Mailing List manager.
This was a warning message it sent you.

> > > > Messages to you from the klarinet mailing list seem to
> > > > have been bouncing. I've attached a copy of the first bounce
> > > > message I received.
>
> What does "bounce" mean? Where is the copy of the 1st bounce? - there`s no
> attachment.

The mail was "bouncing" like a ball in gravity - ezmlm tried to send it, your system refused it, it tried to send it, your system refused it, ad nauseam.

> > > > If this message bounces too, I will send you a probe. If the probe
> > > bounces,
> > > > I will remove your address from the klarinet mailing list,
> > > > without further notice.
>
> What is a probe? How does a probe bounce? Thanks for threatening to remove
> me without a clearly explained reason.

iA probe is a mail message. If you couldn't read the warning and the probe (which is sent after 21 days) then your mail system is defunct. How can you send a message to someone telling them they'll be removed when in fact they don't remove the message?

> > > > I've kept a list of which messages from the klarinet mailing list have
> > > > bounced from your address.
> > > > Copies of these messages may be in the archive.
> > > > To retrieve a set of messages 123-145 (a maximum of 100 per request),
> > > > send an empty message to:
> > > > <klarinet-get.123_145@-----.org>
>
> Are you saying that there are 22 messages (in archive) which have been sent,
> that have NOT been received by me? Please advise.
>

Please read below ("Here are the message numbers:"). The above is an example.

> > > >
> > > > To receive a subject and author list for the last 100 or so messages,
> > > > send an empty message to:
> > > > <klarinet-index@-----.org>
> > > >
> > > > Here are the message numbers:
> > > >
> > > > 40032
> >
> > Now I'm no genius, but I think that the top of that message might be
> > intelligible to most people.
>
> As stated above, please explain ezmlm.

> > The rest of the message tells administrators what went wrong.>
>
> If the administrators require this amount of space and time, increasing my
> phone bill, then they should communicate to each other using their own
> e-mails. If something goes wrong with my telephone, British Telecom don`t
> phone me to issue me with a pile of drivel. They just fix it.

And all musicians should use plain English, too, so that the rest of humanity could understand them ... Specialized languages go with specialized tasks to further fast and accurate communication. What is this dealing with dorian, mixolodian, turns, scale degree, whatnot? Could it be to further the interests of like minded parties?

> >
> > <tony-wakefield@-----. Deferred: Connection timed out with
> > shaggy-s1.lineone.net.
> > > Message could not be delivered for 5 days
> > > Message will be deleted from queue
>
> What does shaggy-s 1 etc mean? LineOne has never used that term in any of
> it`s public pages.

There's lots of things lineone.net didn't tell you. Here's parts of what they don't tell you:

lineone.net nameserver @-----.UK
lineone.net nameserver @-----.net
lineone.net nameserver @-----.net
lineone.net preference @-----.net
lineone.net preference @-----.net

Authoritative answers can be found from:
lineone.net nameserver @-----.UK
lineone.net nameserver @-----.net
lineone.net nameserver @-----.net
ANNA.DELPHI.CO.UK internet address @-----.5
BRICKLAYERS-ARMS-S1.SPRINGBOARD.net internet address @-----.200
NS0.BT.net internet address @-----.51
shaggy-s1.lineone.net internet address @-----.225
mx2.lineone.net internet address @-----.209

It means something to people that care about it.

> > Your email server didn't want to take an email..
>
> This doesn`t sound like information for the administrators. It sounds like
> info for me.
>
> Point taken, but I haven`t seen any explanations in my time on the list. But
> be assured that I`m not expecting you to do that. This is NOT your function.
> The whole system of e-mail is still in it`s infancy, and man, does it
> require some more brains to sort it.

The email system's been around for about 25 years. It's not all that arcane.

> Why should I do that? That is what the administrators should urgently turn
> <their> hands to. Why should we be bombarded with nonsense which we don`t
> understand. Please be assured, there is no personal criticism here Mark. I`m
> not accusing you of not being able to communicate lucidly.

It's not nonsense at all - just nonsense to a non-specialist. That's why there's a klarinet-help address.

> > Get up on the wrong side of the bed, did we?
>
> Nope. Just miffed at how administrators can come into my home uninvited,
> with their own diatribe of nonsense, without any intention or care in the
> world of explaining anything to me in plain English. Only a mere threat to
> remove me. Not even any advice as to what I need to do to correct this.
> It`s not right, Mark.

It's just as "not right" as anything else that's specialized. As an administrator we need those heading to find out what went wrong and why.

> Please advise what I must do to correct any errors.

Tell your ISP to alert you when they're having email problems.

Mark C.

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