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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000283.txt from 2001/02

From: Bill Hausmann <>
Subj: RE: [kl] chaos being sold for freedom...
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 20:15:44 -0500

At 08:01 AM 2/8/2001 -0800, William Wright wrote:
> <><> Bill Hausmann posted:
>Since we THINK in words, not in abstractions, imagine how limited the
>thought process must be in these youngsters. Shades of Orwell's "1984!"
> I agree that reading is the most important thing --- absolutely ---
>but there _are_ different modes of thought, and not all of them are
> Bringing this thread back to music, think how often list members
>have argued with me that some musical concepts cannot be properly
>described with words, and yet these concepts definitely influence
>musicians and are communicable in non-verbal ways. Einstein claimed to
>think 'spatially' and so forth. Words are not the only way to
>communicate -- eg: music again, not to mention painting, sculpture, and
>so forth. This is why we 'feel' that an idea is wrong and 'see' what a
>person means, why some accident victims who lose spatial perception also
>lose mathematical perception about comparative size (as opposed to
>merely the words that describe size), and so forth.

I concede that not ALL thought is verbal, but most political, intellectual,
philosophical, reasoning type thought certainly is. Art is admittedly
largely non-verbal, yet discussion of it must use words, of course, some of
them mis-applied, as in your example of "feeling" an idea is wrong. You
can FEEL sad, lonely, sympathetic, etc., but you must THINK about
ideas. And even blind people say, "I see." It is a figure of speech.

Bill Hausmann
451 Old Orchard Drive
Essexville, MI 48732 ICQ UIN 4862265

If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO LOUD!

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