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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000080.txt from 2001/02

From: "Alf Hörberg" <>
Subj: SV: SV: SV: [kl] A TV show about K. 621b
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 19:50:07 -0500

I completely agree Tony. This doesn't make any difference to the music
itself. It's just the fact that there still are historical ???????? around
this that makes it interesting. Just curiosity. I'm just waiting for the
next episode.

(The old low b-natural and it's consequences makes a musical difference

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Pay <>
Subject: Re: SV: SV: [kl] A TV show about K. 621b

> On Sun, 4 Feb 2001 00:37:42 +0100, said:
> > Dan,
> >
> > I think the key point here is that we have the music, the Wintertuur
> > manuscript and the Notturno K.437 "Mi langer tacendo", from the six
> > notturni, written for a BH in G. Both these pieces ask for a low
> > C#/Db. But, there are, as far as we know, no surviving BHs in G, or,
> > any BH with a low C#/Db key from this time. That's the mystery.
> Or just the facts: the instruments were lost. Is it that you think that
> it's implausible that both instruments, in A and in G, could have
> disappeared?
> Yet, pretty clearly, they did.
> > Both these pieces are dated to 1787 so Stadler must have had an
> > instrument like that in his possession already, or, had this
> > construction made at this time. Standard BHs at this time only had
> > keys for D and C. Not even for Eb. So, these notes on a BH is a much
> > later invention. Probably with the exception of Lutz/Stadlers.
> Yup.
> > The obvious questions are of cause; what did it look like? what did it
> > sound like? why did he have it made in G? (Because Mozart first wanted
> > to write the concerto in G major? (My own simple theory)), just like
> > the mysteries around the K.622 basset-clarinet. Of cause, this is all
> > linked to the whole pattern of mysteries surrounding Stadler and K.622
> > and what happened to his bag in Germany and all that, so soberly
> > spoken, this is a little bit like splitting hairs. But for people like
> > us it becomes dead serious.
> I don't really see why this is a problem. He added a key, two keys. So
> what? I don't actually think that that addition makes a significant
> difference to the tonal qualities of the instrument.
> (I've done it myself:-)
> Actually, I don't even really think that Eric's angled joint makes all
> that much difference to the low notes either, even though clearly that's
> the way Stadler/Lotz did it. Doing it straight, the low notes are
> pretty resonant, and in my opinion, not inappropriate to the music.
> Hi, Alf, BTW.
> Tony
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