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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000796.txt from 2000/09

From: "Tony Wakefield" <>
Subj: Re: [kl] Eminence
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:49:58 -0400

Who mentioned you Tony? I`m sorry, that just *had* to come out after
sinking this evening`s bottle of Crete wine.

I agree with all that has been said, you and Kevin. The phrase "1 or 2" was
really meant to be "going on 100`s" - or "quite a lot". A derogatory remark,
cynical, but humorous(?) if you like, which some listers took literally.
It`s difficult to express oral inflections in writing, and I ain`t quite the
writer wot I oughta be. I think you also have misunderstood me in times gone
by, but we`ll let that "lie peacefully", - PLEASE!
I have, I hope you will be pleased to discover, found and purchased a copy
of "Pierrot lunaire" op 21. I tried to
find the Chamber Symphony also but no such luck. Maybe one day - - - - The
Universal Ed of op 21 has everything, incl. the preparatory notes all in
German, so at present I havn`t a clue what is going on - apart from the
"mathematics" of the serialism. I`m into a work for solo voice and organ at
present, so apart from very quick glances, Schoenberg will have to sit in
the pews at the back.
What about the anagrams from Nancy`s daughter. I`ve printed them up already,
for my wife (enuff said) to take to work tomorrow.
I`m not going to be sneezing for the rest of the week. Must catch up on
Tony W.

----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Pay <>
Subject: [kl] Eminence

> On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:49:43 -0700, said:
> > Tony Wakefield posted:
> >
> > > And we have 1 or 2 extremely eminent clarinettists in here, so you`re
> > > in very apt and similar company.
> >
> > . . . I'm not sure which 2 you had in mind, or what you standards of
> > "eminence" are. IMHO, that number would increase by a multiple of ten
> > (or more), just amongst those who regularly post.
> >
> > You shouldn't forget, moreover, that there are many hundreds of
> > subscribers who *never* post. The identity of some of them would
> > likely surprise you, too.
> I agree with what lies behind that. And in fact, though I might be
> thought to be an 'eminent' clarinet player just because I happen to have
> a few CDs extant, I very much don't want *that* to be a criterion by
> which my posts are judged, as I've said here several times.
> (Of course, you *can* buy the CDs if you want:-)
> The thing about this list is that we have an opportunity to talk to each
> other, and to criticise each other, based solely on whether or not what
> we say to each other *makes sense*, and whether or not our reported
> experiences support what we say.
> I think a great deal of damage is done here when people are treated
> differently.
> In other words, it's damaging when people are judged (and especially
> when people *want* so to be judged), not on the basis of what they say,
> but on the basis of their *credentials*.
> I encountered that here when I started posting. On 10 Oct 1998, I said:
> "I don't know whether this is the right community for this discussion.
> There's a sort of *reverence* here I find disturbing."
> I found that people, sort of, *humbled* themselves before me, because
> they had some notion of me as different from and superior to them. Of
> course, I *am* quite experienced and knowledgeable;-) -- but the degree
> of that has to be determined case by case.
> And this 'humbling' seemed like 'acknowledgement' at the time; but
> actually, I've come to distrust it, and I think that it's ultimately
> damaging.
> Tony
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