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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000363.txt from 2000/07

From: Dan Leeson <>
Subj: Re: [kl] klarinet Digest 8 Jul 2000 08:15:00 -0000 Issue 2387
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 18:39:52 -0400

Well, if you interpret the matter literally, a minuet with one trio allows the
minuet to be heard twice. Thus each section of the minuet is heard 4 times. A
minuet with two trios results in each section of the minuet being heard 6
times. My personal inclination is to play it the way it's written the first
time and then ornament the next 3 or 5 times (as the case may be).

There aren't any written rules here. Just judgement.

Dan Leeson

Keith wrote:

> Message text written by
> >From: Dan Leeson <>
> Subject: Re: [kl] klarinet Digest 7 Jul 2000 08:15:00 -0000 Issue 2384
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> Keith, there is no single date where the practice of playing senza repliche
> began but the entire question of how we play minuets and trios today
> changes
> about every 50 years or so. I played the clarinetet quintet many years ago
> with
> a man who played with Brahms as a very young player and he said that they
> never
> played any repeats in minuets and trios, not even the ones marked.
> Why this happened was, in my opinion, because the art of improvisation fell
> into
> disfavour. The reason why all those repeats are present is to encourage
> improvisation. But if one does not improvise, then the unaltered
> repetitions of
> those sections becomes boring. So that was the first step in the changing
> of
> performance practice with respect to the playing of minuets and trios.
> Dan Leeson
> <
> Thank you, Dan. Most interesting.
> So, people SHOULD leave out those boring repeats if they can't improvise!
> I'm a bit puzzled though, by the number of repeats, if the repeat in the
> "da capo"
> is the only time you are allowed to improvise - that means we have to play
> the minuet
> sections three times before we get to the fun bit. Or have I misinterpreted
> your
> earlier post?
> Keith Bowen
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