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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000005.txt from 1999/06

From: "Edi & Rose Malinaric" <emovi@-----.za>
Subj: Re: [kl] [K] Moennig Tone Holes Examples? Sorry
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 04:39:50 -0400

Good Morning Loh - Success - I had also deleted the original but managed to
find it in the Klarinet Archives - much to my amazement.

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Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:03:39 EDT
Subject: [kl] [K] Moennig Tone Holes Examples for wide 12ths

In a message dated 5/20/99 7:12:07 PM EST, edsshop@-----.ca writes:

<< Alvin,

Thank you for your description of bore dominated and tone hole dominated
designs. You've described perfectly large bored clarinets [old Selmers,
old Leblancs and Boosey and Hawkes] and small bored clarinets [R-13's and
damned near everything else made today.] However, this tone hole diameter
phenomenon applies to both these design types. Must we, therefore,
conclude that it is done only to keep the player's fingers from being
stretched apart too much on the A and being too crowded on the C?

>> I don't know about your finger theory? I have found that the diameter of
most finger holes are based on the raised tone hole heights and not the hand
placement.
For example the Left hand E tone hole (under the ring key pad) is half the
size of the Fork Bb tone hole just below it. The fact that the Bb hole is
taller by design causes the note to play flatter and therefore must be
compensated for with the larger cylinder diameter.
Hans Moennig always struggled with the wide left hand 12th of the E
To high B. During the 1930s Ralph McLane brought Mr. Moennig a Student
model
"Robert" Clarinet. The horn was badly out of tune except for one interval
the
E to B 12th. Those two notes were perfectly in tune with each other.
Bewildered by this instrument, Mr. Moennig filled the hole with Dental
impression material and made a casting of the "Well Tempered" tone hole.
This
is how they compared.
______________ _________________ _________________________
l l l l
l l
l l l /
l
l_____________l l_______________ / \_______________________l
^ ^
Buffet R-13 l l Moennig
Buffet (Robert Clarinet)

Mr. Moennig used this tone hole design until his retirement, as it
worked quite well. He also modified the F to High C hole to improve the
wide
12ths. This technique was slightly different due to the raised chimney.
That impression looked like this: ____
____
l l l
l
______________l l__________________l l______________
l l l l
l l
l l l /
l
l l l
/ l
l __________ __ / \______________ / \____________l

^ ^
l
l
Buffet R-13
Moennig Buffet (Robert)

I know this information probably does not answer your question but
maybe it will shed a little more light on the tone hole discussion.

Thank you,

Alvin Swiney

Affordable Music Co.

P.O. Box 4245

Virginia Beach, VA 23454

757-412-2160 fax 412-2158

E mail sfdr@-----.com

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I also posted this after supper bu tit didn't seem to make the board - Hope
it makes sense - edi

John - I posted a solution on sketch 1 to Loh Tzu Liang - a call to supper
made me abbreviate Sketch 2 - let me try set it out below.

Grid 6 columns x 6 high.

Top row : I I I I
Row 2 : I I I I
Row 3 : I I I I I I
Row 4 : I I I / I
Row 5 : I I I / I
Row 6 : I / / I - was
correctly transmitted.

In this sketch there are three rows of horizontal lines. The two short ones
close the top of the chimneys.
The next row of three longer lines show the outside line of the body on top
of row 3 while the three lower lines are the inside edge of the bore under
row 6.

As I posted to Loh, when correctly positioned the lower "^" and "I" are
arrows to indicate that the left hand hole is Buffet R13 and the right hand
hole is Moennig Buffet.

regards edi

-----Original Message-----
From: Loh Tzu Liang <tlloh@-----.com>
Date: 31 May 1999 06:55
Subject: Re: [kl] [K] Moennig Tone Holes Examples? Sorry

>Dear Edi,
>
>Thanx! makes more sense...there's only one other problem...I deleted the
>mail already!! Would you be kind enuf to fwd it to me personally?
>[ tlloh@-----.com ]
>
>Thanx in advance!
>Loh
>Singapore
>
>-From: Edi & Rose Malinaric
>
>
>>Loh - The first sketch makes sense if you set it out so that there are 6
>>columns each only 4 "I" high.
>>
>>The top row is : " I I I I I I "
>>Row 2 is : " I I I I I I "
>>Row 3 is : " I I I / I "
>>The bottom row : "I I I / I " is correctly
>>positioned.
>>
>>If you start placing the "I" &"/" sequentially from the top left hand
>corner
>>into each place on the 6 x 4 grid you should end up with the correct
>>picture.
>>
>>The second sketch is also 6 columns wide but columns 1 & 6 are only 4 "I"
>>high while columns 2,3,4 & 5 are 6 "I" high.
>>
>>The horizontal lines delineate the outer and inner walls of the clarinet
>>body.
>>
>>The "^" and the "I" near them are arrows pointing to the Buffet and
>Moenning
>>hole respectively.
>>
>>Have fun - edi
>
>
>
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