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Klarinet Archive - Posting 001131.txt from 1999/04

From: (Tony Pay)
Subj: Re: [kl] Leblanc Concerto-Opus
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 04:01:45 -0400

On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 21:07:37 -0500, said:

> > It's still true, though, that good players play the clarinet with
> > their ears. And it's part of the deeper truth that good musicians
> > are only good musicians because they play with their ears.
> >
> > My point was that it's not a good idea here to obscure this
> > fundamental truth with the other stuff, even if some of the other
> > stuff is useful.
> >
> > Tony
> Since we are speaking about points, the point of my post is that when
> someone makes a statement we which we doubt we should directly ask
> specific questions for honest clarification rather than making
> unkind, cynical statements that insinuate the person is an idiot and
> cannot possibly know what he is talking about.
> You seem to have missed that in the exchange completely Tony; ears and
> lips were ancillary to the matter
> tom

No, I think you've taken me wrong, Tom. But before I explain why, I'd
like to say that I had no intention of offending you, and I'm very
sorry that you were offended.

The exchange was:

> On Sun, 25 Apr 1999 02:43:15 -0500, said:
> > Maybe if I were a better player I would have a more "out of tune"
> > experience. Mediocrity, not biting and double lip playing do have
> > their advantages ;-)
> No. Good players play the clarinet with their *ears* -- not with
> their lips, single or double.
> (Sometimes they do talk through their rears, though;-)
> Tony

So, you'd made a joke, with a serious side to it, in which you cast
yourself as a 'mediocre' player, but nevertheless able to play well in
tune on your instrument.

I responded to the serious side with a serious side of my own, which I
do think is important and worth underlining, as I explained in another

But I also made a joke of my own, purely by word association.

In your joke, the 'better' player has the worse time of it with the
intonation. In my joke, what the better player says sometimes doesn't
make sense.

So I wasn't referring to *you* in:

> (Sometimes they do talk through their rears, though;-)

...though now I appreciate it was possible to misunderstand, as indeed
you did.

Your subsequent:

> Your post is living proof of that, Tony.

...I wrongly took to be a response to the serious side of what I'd said,
as my explanation that you quote above indicates.

I hope that clears it up. As our exchanges in the past perhaps
indicate, I have great respect for your work, even if sometimes we

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