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Klarinet Archive - Posting 001234.txt from 1999/01

From: Fred <>
Subj: Re: [kl] Poulenc 2 clarinet sonata - note question
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 18:55:59 -0500

For what it is worth, I have an old tape of Gervaise de Payer and Peter
Simenaur playing the work. They play e-sharp.

Fred (

At 01:19 PM 1/24/99 GMT, you wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Jan 99 11:51:33 +0100, said:
>> Dear Poulenc players,
>> I have a text question for the Poulenc Sonata for 2 Clarinets (Bb and
>> A). In the first movement at rehearsal number 1 the Bb clarinet has
>> two grace notes d-sharp and e-sharp. Normally it could be assumed
>> that the first 16th note of the 2nd beat would therefor be e-sharp as
>> well, since there is no natural sign (at least in my edition -
>> Chester 1919,1990). This measure occurs 8 times on the page.
>> In my recording of Sabine and Wolfgang Meyer they play an e-natural
>> every time on the 2nd beat, so my question is:
>> Is someone privy to further info on this: such as a copy of the
>> manuscript or an edition in which this note has a natural sign in
>> contrast to my edition.
>AFAIK there is no score with the natural sign.
>If you wanted to be really sure that an E natural is intended, I suppose
>your best bet would be to find an old recording that it was certain
>Poulenc heard. Perhaps someone knows of one?
>For myself, it was sufficient to try it a few times with an E# to be
>convinced that that the natural was intended. Indeed, without even
>having heard the piece, I had always 'naturally' played an E natural:-)
>until the inconsistency you point out surfaced for a few seconds one
>This is not to say that you cannot get used to (and sometimes even ever
>afterwards want to play, cf the last few bars of the Debussy Rhapsodie),
>an error. But in this case I personally have no doubt. (Well,
>vanishingly small doubt, anyway. I might even go so far as to say that
>if Poulenc wanted an E#, he was *wrong*.)
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