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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000628.txt from 1999/01

From: Fred <>
Subj: Re: [kl] Re: klarinet Digest 14 Jan 1999 03:51:05 -0000 Issue
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 14:16:01 -0500

When we talk about "sharp upper clarion" notes in any clarinet, are we
taking into consideration that the length of the mouthpiece chamber
drastically effects the instruments tuning? Did you try the horn with
different mouthpieces? My 1963 R-13, which my folks purchased for me new
in 1963 came with a cardboard measuring template that you were to insert
into your mouthpiece to determine if the length of its chamber was correct
for the horn, so that the horn's tuning would be correct. BTW, that R-13
is a lovely horn that I use to this day! So much for instrument blow-out!

Fred (

At 11:13 AM 1/14/99 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 1/14/99 8:09:10 AM Central Standard Time,
> writes:
><< From: (Roger Garrett)
> Reply-to:
> To:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 wrote:
> > Intonation is more a factor of the ear of the player than the instrument
> > he/she plays on. No clarinet (or any wind instrument) ever built plays
> > perfectly in tune with itself under every circumstance. You either know
> > play in tune or you don't. The instrument either helps you or hurts you to
> > varying degrees. "It was tuned at the factory" just doesn't cut it.
> >
> > -David Hattner, NYC
> David's description sure hits the nail on the head. The comment....the
> instrument either helps you or hurts you to varying degrees is where it
> is all at. >>
>OK....I'm gonna through my hat in the ring. My first A clarinet was a Buffet
>R-13 that I bought in the late 60's. I tried out many horns and had the help
>of my teacher. It had a lovely tone quality.
>The reason I got rid of it were described OH SO WELL in Tom's post. Flat
>throat F, extremely sharp clarion A, B, and C. Stuffy clarion B.
>The worst prob was the extreme sharpness of the upper clarion. I could not
>bring them down "in tune" with embouchure only without destroying the tone
>quality. I evolved a whole system of funky alternate fingering to help
>I tried a bunch of Selmer 10-G's with Shifrin and sold the Buffet A a week
>My point is...tuned at the mistuned at the
>factory causes big problems. The inherent flaws in the R-13 design made it
>very hard to get around the problems in THAT one horn.
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