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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000068.txt from 1999/01

From: pollyg@-----. Gulakowski)
Subj: [kl] Re: Beethoven Ode to Joy
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:55:43 -0500

All of which reminds me - what is the composers intent for all the
"generic" tunes that radio and TV stations use (so that they don't
violate copyrights) as backgrounds for videos etc?

Beethoven's in the public domain - dead - but his music isn't decomposing
<]:o) So where does that put plagiarism?
Tell me about "To An Anacreon inHeaven", "God Save the King",
"Deutschland Uber Alles". The ability to make something different,
equal, wonderful or horrible out of a narrow "intent" (and that ain't
saying the intent is not a good one!) is a gift. I am glad many choose
to use it. Otherwise, I'd never have known some of these tunes. The end
doesn't always justify the means, but I think my sifter has fairly large
holes in it to allow these to come through! "Boy, aren't I the tolerant
one these days!" ;-)


On Sun, 03 Jan 1999 12:59:22 -0500 David Blumberg <>
>Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 08:35:51 ESTFrom: pollyg@-----.
>Gulakowski) Subject: [kl] Re: Beethoven - religious- Ode to Joy -
>may not be what Beethoven wrote, but I'll betcha more people
>recognizeit as
>Joyful, Joyful We Adore Thee (text by Henry van Dyke long
>death) than as Ode to Joy.
>Well, I could put joyful text to the Dies Irae, but it still is the
>Irae. So can the original tune be separated from the original text,
>still be what the composer intended? My answer is - no. Plagiaristic
>David Blumberg
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