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Klarinet Archive - Posting 001556.txt from 1998/04

From: Roger Garrett <>
Subj: Re: [klarinet] Ad hominem attacks are not appreciated
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:00:57 -0400

I lied! Another response!

On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Jonathan Cohler wrote:
> There you go again, Roger. Five times in one or two paragraphs:
> "bully"
> "order people around"
> "intimidation"
> "bullying tactics"
> "I feel sorry for you"
> These are ad-hominem attacks. I make it a point never to issue such
> statements to the list. I wish you could take the same approach.

No, I'm sorry - they are not. Again, just because you think it is so
doesn't mean it is! They are not attacks....they are descriptions of what
I believe you do to others. Your own statement, "these are ad-hominem
attacks" would then be one in itself! And I really do feel sorry for
you....that is sincerely said.....that is not an attack....hmmm....

I do not take the same approach as you do in discussing an opinion.....I
am offended by your sharp cross examination technique. You often take
people's comments and twist them to match your own
interpretation.....often making a mistake in doing so. That you don't
admit it is where you are in some kind of denial (no, that is not an
attack.....that is me making an observation about your behavior).

> I am hopeful that someday you will come to realize that you cannot win
> debates by insulting the other side into submission.

I'm sorry.....but the fact that you feel insulted is not a bad thing. I
could list the quotes - for I have kept your last set of "attacks" on
others......but what would be the point? I am not in a debate....I am
explaining how you act.........that you don't like that explanation is not
important to me..........

Let me use your words........"I am hopeful that someday you will come to
realize that you".......[mine] not know everything and don't have to
prove to everyone that you do.

Roger Garrett

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