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Klarinet Archive - Posting 001289.txt from 1998/04

From: "Eric Lin" <>
Subj: Re: Mouthpiece Facings & Reed Strength
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:27:54 -0400

I REALLY like to know how does Gigliotti P(maybe after a bit refacing)
compare to Vandoren M13(much cheaper) and Hite D and other popular
mouthpieces of the same category. I also REALLY like to know what
difference will I experience after switching from my B45 to mouthpieces with
much closer tips.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Frank <>
Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: Mouthpiece Facings & Reed Strength

>For what it's worth, I've had great success with David Hite's mouthpieces.
>After a repairman recommended to me by someone on this list made my old
>treasured Wells mpc unplayable when I was looking for a refacing, I then
>played the mpc game thru mailorder. I went thru B45's, Greg Smiths',
>Hawkins',......without much satisfaction. Then on a whim, I asked David
>Hite (who I knew from clarinet choir festivals at the U. of Illinois in the
>'70's,.......his from Capitol Univ., Columbus, OH) to consider reworking a
>pair of old 'chewed' up Hites I had. Actually, he himself recommended I
>them to him (in Fla.) when I was simply inquiring about buying one of his
>new ones. Well, he kindly reconditioned and refaced both, and even refused
>payment despite my protestations. One of them is exquisite, especially with
>Blackmaster 3 1/2 reeds.
>David responds readily to email obtainable thru his website (
>However, I believe his mpc's are only sold thru mailorder like
>Music Suppliers, etc.
>David Frank, Seattle
>From: "Gene Nibbelin" <>
>To: <>
>Subject: Re: Re: Mouthpiece Facings & Reed Strength
>Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:54:11 -0400
>Kevin -
>As an "old-timer" amateur, I agree with your use of the B45. I tried
>several of them a while back and found them unsatisfactory, seeming quite
>stuffy and difficult to play for me.
>Your mention of the Woodwind K10 intrigues me. As I posted earlier, I was
>quite surprised to find that the K10s provided with my Leblanc Concertos
>work very well. I didn't post the following that I found with the K10s.
>The two mouthpieces are visually different, viewed from the facing side.
>The interior measurements may be the same, but I have no way to tell.
>The strange thing is that the mpc. that came with the Bb works very well
>with the Bb and the one that came with the A works very well with the A.
>However. switching the mpcs. results in poorer results. Could it be that
>Leblanc has actually matched the mpcs. and the horns, or is it a
>coincidence? Interesting.
>Since I am using both mpcs. in our orchestra (Gulf Coast Symphony), it
>makes quick switches a lot easier, but it does complicate the selection of
>In any event, this summer, I am planning on doing some more mpc. hunting,
>starting with the Hite offerings. He's practically a neighbor, being about
>20 miles south on US 41 from Cape Coral.
>Should have checked out the Hites a long time ago.
>Any comments, anyone?
>Gene Nibbelin
>> From: Kevin Fay <>
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Re: Mouthpiece Facings & Reed Strength
>> Date: Tuesday, April 21, 1998 12:43 PM
>> Gosh--and the B45 is supposed to be the world's most popular orchestral
>> mouthpiece!! Mine is now used as a doorstop. It functions quite well.
>> ;-)
>> On a more serious note, I am always looking for the perfect mouthpiece,
>> one that will take care of all problems AND is cheap and readily
>> availiable for student purchase. Personally, I use one of those custom
>> things--in my case, a Dan Johnston J facing--and really like it. It's
>> hard to have my jr. high students shuffle off to Buffalo for a fitting,
>> though.
>> I've come across the Woodwind K10. It's a little closer than my facing,
>> and seems a little brighter, but seems to be a pretty OK commercial
>> mouthpiece. I wish the tip rail was wider, though.
>> Any thoughts out there on what to suggest to your students? I have
>> usually recommended either the Hite Premier or Clark Fobes' student
>> line, both pretty OK and reasonable.
>> kjf
>> ----Original Message Follows----
>> From: RCLARINET <>
>> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:44:24 EDT
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: Re: Mouthpiece Facings & Reed Strength
>> Reply-To:
>> In a message dated 4/17/98 5:45:38 PM, you wrote:
>> <<At 09:47 PM 4/16/98 -0500, Roger Garrett wrote:
>> >The M13 mouthpiece has the following schedule and tip opening:
>> >
>> >104 tip opening (1.04)
>> >4
>> >10
>> >21
>> >33
>> >
>> >What this means frankly, is that the tip is very close, and the curve
>> >schedule is quite short. If you are playing on 2 or 2.5 reeds, you
>> either
>> >have no strength in the embouchure, or you never play above a high C.
>> Doesn't the short curve schedule (given a constant tip opening) require
>> a
>> softer reed than a longer, more gradual curve like a B45?
>> The shorter curve does indeed mitigate the closeness of the tip, causing
>> the
>> reed to feel stiffer than it would feel if the tip were the same and the
>> curve
>> was longer.
>> The B45, however, does not have what I would call a more graduated
>> curve.
>> It's schedule is not much longer, especially near the tip, and then the
>> tip
>> itself flares quickly open to a whopping 1.18, and some I have measured
>> have
>> gone up to 1.20!
>> Only a sax player should ever play the B45. It is not fit for anyone who
>> wants
>> to play the clarinet seriously in a classical setting.
>> tom
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