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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000529.txt from 1997/09

From: Jonathan Cohler <>
Subj: Re: ending the GreenLine plastic/composite thread
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 16:15:40 -0400

>On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Jonathan Cohler wrote:
>> Huh? Please translate into English.
>No need to get sarcastic here....the tester, now known as the scientist,
>will listen to the clarinetist, now known as the poor soul who may not be
>allowed to put his hands on the horn......
>The Scientist does not know how the poor soul distinguishes between horn.
>Distinguish, in this case, to discern, separate, decide between,

I guess you are just refusing to understand here. The Scientist knows how
the Pour Soul distinguishes, becase he asks him. There is no point in
going any further on this.

>> Again, I'll repeat it for the umpteenth time, these experiments have been
>> done and they are fact NOT opinion.
>Scientific research or not, I am not alone in believing that a person must
>be allowed to play an instrument

That is not part of this discussion. I have never said that a person
should not be allowed to play an instrument. Again your logic is lacking.

> - and we all hope that we can be trusted
>to decide without bias of seeing wood and thinking, AH-HA! It must be
>better than plastic!

Whether we hope we can be trusted not to be biased is irrelevant.
Objectivity is not based on hope. It is based on objective criteria. I
think you need to understand the scientific process better.

> After all, we are being asked to accept the
>experiments that have no opinions.......simply numbers and test results

Of course.

>The way an instrument blows and the resistance associated with it
>varies between "identical" clarinets....that is same make and model.

Yes, but so what. Same make and model doesn't guarantee that they are
ACTUALLY the same in terms of dimensions etc. as has already been noted.

> If
>the test result is identical between these, what are we to think?
>> is a blowing or sound difference. If the testers can feel the instrument
>> with their hands, their responses will be biased and useless.
>this is opinion Jonathan...I'm sorry......they will not necessarily be

Whether they will "not necessarily be biased" or not is irrelevant. Since
the possibility of bias exists, we must eliminate it as a variable or else
the experiment is invalid.

I think continuing on this line any further is a waste of time for the
list, because I have already made the relevant points in this discussion.

Jonathan Cohler

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