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Klarinet Archive - Posting 000432.txt from 1997/09

From: Daniel.Meirsman@-----.com
Subj: FW: Weber, Carl Maria Von or Weber, Carl Maria von
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 05:59:08 -0400

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-----Original Message-----
From: Meirsman, Daniel
Subject: RE: Weber, Carl Maria Von or Weber, Carl Maria von

I think it was Ludwig's grandfather that was of flemish origin. In fact the 'van
Beethoven' family originally lived near 'Mechelen' a small city located between
Antwerp and Leuven. I am not sure whether in the case of the grandfather van was
written with lowercase or uppercase 'v'. In Flanders lowercase is used only for
familynames of nobility.

Hope to have been of some help

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Daniel Meirsman
e-mail: Daniel.Meirsman@-----.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: majordom@-----.us
Subject: Re: Weber, Carl Maria Von or Weber, Carl Maria von

I believe his family came from Flanders - part of the Austrian
Netherlands for most of the 18th century (just thought I'd throw that
in...). Roger Shilcock

On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Craig E. G. Countryman wrote:

> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 21:25:28 -0400
> From: "Craig E. G. Countryman" <cegc@-----.net>
> To: klarinet@-----.us
> Subject: Re: Weber, Carl Maria Von or Weber, Carl Maria von
>
> "Beethoven, Ludwig van (1770-1827), German composer, generally
> considered one of the greatest composers in the Western tradition.
Born > in Bonn, Beethoven was reared in stimulating, although unhappy, >
surroundings..." -Microsoft Encarta 1996 > > I stand corrected it is
van and not von, however I am wondering how you > know it comes from a
Dutch Origin. I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that > because he was German,
his name came from the same land. > > -- > Craig Countryman >
cegc@-----.com/Vienna/1711 > Visit
my homepage now and boost my world > ranking up from 185th! > > Quote
of the Day: > > "Practice is the best instruction of > them all."
-Publilius Syrus >

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