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From: Wally Shapiro <vanbrunt@-----.net>
Subj: Re: klarinet-digest V1 #226
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:12:00 -0400

klarinet-digest wrote:
>
> klarinet-digest Monday, September 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 226
>
> community bands Annapolis area
> Hi everyone!
> Re: a stupid question
> Re: community bands Annapolis area
> Re: community bands Annapolis area
> Re: Clarinet material
> Re: Clarinet material
> Re: a stupid question
> Re: New Instrument Service
> Tom Ridenour
> Pawn shops
> C clarinets
> Re: Hi everyone!
> mouthpieces (yes, I said it)
> RE:Rhapsody in Blue Clarinets
> Charles West the one and only
> Re: plastic vs wood
> Re: mouthpieces (yes, I said it)
> Re: ending the GreenLine plastic/composite thread
> Pawn shop prices
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:29:09 -0400
> From: "James Fay" <n3hpz@-----.com>
> Subject: community bands Annapolis area
>
> I am looking for a Community Band in the Annapolis/Anne Arundel/Southern MD
> area (what nites they rehearse, who to contact, etc).
>
> If anyone has info, please let me know.
>
> James Fay
> n3hpz@-----.com
> http://www.nv.cc.va.us/~nvfayxj
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:46:59 +1300
> From: "Sandra Pope" <5708@-----.nz>
> Subject: Hi everyone!
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> I'm new to the list, so I'll introduce myself. I am a
> fifteen-year-old New Zealander who plays a LebLanc Infinite which I
> hold in higher respect than myself ( it's name is Arietta:-) Well,
> ...hi!
>
> Sandi
> **********************************************
> Welcome to Sandi's Signature Wheel of Fortune!
> Your counter has stopped on Signature One!
> ::: sadx@-----.nz ::: or
> ::: froggiesadx@-----.com :::
> ::: 5708@-----.nz:::
> or...
> http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/3087
>
> well, that just about ends the list...
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> wow..someone read this far:-)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 17:04:59 -0400
> From: Karl Krelove <kkrelove@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: a stupid question
>
> At 08:19 PM 9/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >First of all, I would like to introduce myself to you guys. I am a freshmen
> >at Jersey Village High School in Houston, Texas. I have been playing the
> >clarinet since the sixth gradeand have played the bass clarinet for two
> >years. Personally, I prefer the bass.
> >
> >Now for my question. Does anybody know why I get these out of order? I mean
> >I will get # 201 on one day, and #200 the next day. Does anybody know why?
> > It doesn't matter, I am just curious.
> >
> I guess it may not be so stupid after all... I can't find any such numbers
> at all in the headers on my messages (I assume you're asking about messages
> on this list). Where are you getting the numbers from in the first place,
> or am I completely misunderstanding the question?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 17:26:58 -0400
> From: Mitch Bassman <mbassman@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: community bands Annapolis area
>
> At 04:29 PM 9/8/97 -0400, Jim Fay wrote:
> >I am looking for a Community Band in the Annapolis/Anne Arundel/Southern MD
> >area (what nites they rehearse, who to contact, etc).
>
> Hello, Jim,
>
> A quick search of the web turned up:
>
> The Southern Maryland Concert Band
> http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/2102/
>
> Rehearsal, contact information, and all of the etceteras that you might
> need to know are available at the web site. If this isn't the right band,
> they may have information about others.
>
> Good luck,
> Mitch Bassman
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 17:31:51 -0400
> From: Adam Calabrese <adam.calabrese@-----.gov>
> Subject: Re: community bands Annapolis area
>
> At 04:29 PM 9/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >I am looking for a Community Band in the Annapolis/Anne Arundel/Southern MD
> >area (what nites they rehearse, who to contact, etc).
> >
> >If anyone has info, please let me know.
> >
> >James Fay
> >n3hpz@-----.com
> >http://www.nv.cc.va.us/~nvfayxj
>
> Try the web page:
>
> http://www.io.com/%7Erboerger/commgroups.html
>
> and go to the regional listings. There you will see a list by state:
>
> MD USA Chestertown Kent County Comm Marching Band
> MD USA Columbia Columbia Concert Band
> MD USA Columbia The Columbia Orchestra
> MD USA Frederick Frederick Symphony Orchestra
> MD USA Huntingtown Calvert Community Band
> MD USA Mongtomery Montgomery College Wind Ens.
> MD USA Montgomery Montgomery Village
> MD USA Rockville Rockville Concert Band
> MD USA Rockville Jewish Comm Center Orchestra
> MD USA Waldorf Southern Maryland Concert Band
>
> This is what MD has. I don't know offhand where Waldorf or Chestertown are
> located - they seem to be the only possibilities (I'm a relatively new
> resident in Gaithersburg).
>
> Good luck.
>
> - -Adam Calabrese
> National Institute of Standards and Technology
> Gaithersburg, MD 20899
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:31:40 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jrykorten@-----.com
> Subject: Re: Clarinet material
>
> In a message dated 97-09-08 16:11:16 EDT, Steve writes:
>
> <<
> Jerry Korten,
>
> Why do you suppose, then, the sound going through a rosewood
> instrument will project less than that going through a grenadilla
> instrument.
> >>
> Not known to me. I must try them to find out. If the Rosewood is so soft that
> it does vibrate then that would account for the difference. But I bet the
> effect is psychological based on the weight of the instrument.
>
> <<
> A brass bell rings with a different sound (not pitch) than a
> pure copper bell.
> >>
> Different sounding mechanism. Here the body of the instrument vibrates (not
> the air column) which generates the sound. So the material has an effect on
> the sound. Just like a piano or a violin - the wood material and its
> preparation make a BIG difference in sound because they are vibrating.
>
> <<
> Perhaps it's not the tone (darkness...sorry Dan) that the
> material affects but the projection of sound. Can softer materials absorb
> sound more than harder materials?
> >>
> Yessiree. If the material is really soft it will affect the sound.
>
> <<
> I always thought this was so. Part of
> "setting up" a clarinet is polishing the bore; does this affect the
> sound/timbre of the instrument? Again, I thought this was so. Please
> explain.
> >>
> Can't explain... Don't know enough! But I do know that some say the clarinet
> to buy is the one with a porous looking interior (see paper by Hite I believe
> at his web site on barrels).
>
> I do think that the level of polish on all commercially made professional
> instruments is sufficiently high enough to produce the same effect though. If
> there is such an effect, I would guess it would be affecting the way in which
> standing waves are reflected inside the bore. Much in the same way as frased
> holes affect the timbre of an instrument.
>
> <<
> Steve
>
> Steve Prescott
> Instrument Rep.Tech./ Clarinetist
> Indiana State University
> mipresc@-----.edu
> >>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:14:31 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jrykorten@-----.com
> Subject: Re: Clarinet material
>
> In a message dated 97-09-08 16:11:16 EDT, Steve writes:
>
> <<
> Jerry Korten,
>
> Why do you suppose, then, the sound going through a rosewood
> instrument will project less than that going through a grenadilla
> instrument.
> >>
> Not known to me. I must try them to find out. If the Rosewood is so soft that
> it does vibrate then that would account for the difference. But I bet the
> effect is psychological based on the weight of the instrument.
>
> <<
> A brass bell rings with a different sound (not pitch) than a
> pure copper bell.
> >>
> Different sounding mechanism. Here the body of the instrument vibrates (not
> the air column) which generates the sound. So the material has an effect on
> the sound. Just like a piano or a violin - the wood material and its
> preparation make a BIG difference in sound because they are vibrating.
>
> <<
> Perhaps it's not the tone (darkness...sorry Dan) that the
> material affects but the projection of sound. Can softer materials absorb
> sound more than harder materials?
> >>
> Yessiree. If the material is really soft it will affect the sound.
>
> <<
> I always thought this was so. Part of
> "setting up" a clarinet is polishing the bore; does this affect the
> sound/timbre of the instrument? Again, I thought this was so. Please
> explain.
> >>
> Can't explain... Don't know enough! But I do know that some say the clarinet
> to buy is the one with a porous looking interior (see paper by Hite I believe
> at his web site on barrels).
>
> I do think that the level of polish on all commercially made professional
> instruments is sufficiently high enough to produce the same effect though. If
> there is such an effect, I would guess it would be affecting the way in which
> standing waves are reflected inside the bore. Much in the same way as frased
> holes affect the timbre of an instrument.
>
> <<
> Steve
>
> Steve Prescott
> Instrument Rep.Tech./ Clarinetist
> Indiana State University
> mipresc@-----.edu
> >>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 19:38:19 -0400
> From: Mark Charette <charette@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: a stupid question
>
> At 08:19 PM 9/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Now for my question. Does anybody know why I get these out of order? I mean
> >I will get # 201 on one day, and #200 the next day. Does anybody know why?
> > It doesn't matter, I am just curious.
>
> The numbers correspond with the digest form of Klarinet,
> not message-by-message form.
>
> The time difference is due to some sort of vagaries in the
> mail transmission; if you forward to me a couple of the
> out-of-sequence digests I'll be able to tell you what happened.
> (at least forward the mail headers if you know how; those
> tell me everything I need to know).
> - --
> Mark Charette "How can you be in two places at once
> charette@-----.com when you're not anywhere at all?"
> http://sneezy.mika.com/clarinet - Firesign Theater
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 18:51:59 -0500
> From: deerich@-----.net
> Subject: Re: New Instrument Service
>
> My point is not to object to the new service itself. Whether it is a
> car or a clarinet or something else. Even though on the car I do not
> have an option, I am informed that this is necessary and how much it
> will cost. I simply want the same information on the clarinet. If a
> company said it is $XX dollars without the prep and $YY dollars with the
> prep that would be no problem or if they informed the purchaser that
> this was a highly desireable service and provided a list of authorized
> service men.
>
> In other words, I want to know what I am getting for my money when I
> purchase a product whether it is a car, a clarinet, or a toaster for
> that matter.
>
> By the way, I am an engineer for a company that makes OEM parts for
> off-road equipment. Our customers will send parts back for the slightest
> unevenness in the paint job. Believe me this is a real problem when the
> part meets both the factory and customer spec but we have to fix it and
> keep the customer happy. Rather than raising our prices to implement
> higher quality (and thus losing out to the competition), we constantly
> look for ways to improve the quality while maintaining the price.
> Perhaps we should be more demanding in dealing with the instrument
> makers. A product that does not meet factory specs should never leave
> the factory.
>
> Dee Hays
> Canton, SD
> deerich@-----.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:54:11 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Gary Hopkins <ghopkins@-----.net>
> Subject: Tom Ridenour
>
> Tom Ridenour has given me permission to post his new address and phone
> number to the Klarinet list.
>
> Tom Ridenour
> 1923 Willow Wood St.
> Denton, Texas 76205
>
> Phone: 1-888-AKUSTIK
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 16:55:33 -0700
> From: Jim Lytthans <lytthans@-----.net>
> Subject: Pawn shops
>
> Dan Leeson mused:
> > when was the last time you went to a pawn shop to look for a C clarinet?
>
> I've been scouring pawn shops from here to Texas (really) and have come
> across very few instruments, let alone C clarinets. Some nefarious
> person has been buying 'em all up (is that person you, Dan?). At one
> time instruments were a common sight in the local LA pawn shops, but no
> more, except for usual guitars, drums, saxophones and some flutes. The
> well has run dry.
>
> - --
>
> Jim Lytthans
> La Mirada Symphony Orchestra
> Claremont Symphonic Winds
> (http://www.galcit.caltech.edu/~dooley/csw.html)
> My home page:
> http://home.pacbell.net/lytthans/index.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 16:46:54 -0700
> From: Jim Lytthans <lytthans@-----.net>
> Subject: C clarinets
>
> Ron Monsen commented:
> > I remember when the list price of these instruments was $325 each--by a pair and you got one of the neatest double case ever made.
>
> Ron,
> Yea, the good old days. We must be about the same age (55?). How did
> you get the custom mouthpiece, the case cover and a box of reeds? Robert
> Gilbert must have cheated me, back in 1957. Next time I see him, I'll
> tell him so!
>
> Re: C clarinets. The best one I've ever played was a Leblanc Opus at
> the ICA show in Paris last year. I was playing it at their booth, and
> Stanley Drucker happened to walk up. Stan insisted on blowing it, and
> also fell in love with it (the NY Phil owns a bunch of them, so why
> would he want one?). Leblanc would not sell the horn, under any
> circumstances ... no way, no how. Most of the Noblets I've played are
> just OK, but not what I want. The selection of Cs here on the Coast is
> really limited, as are Leblancs and Selmers. I do want one, but don't
> want to pay a King's ransom, Monsen (poetic, no?) Any suggestions,
> colleagues and peers?
>
>
> - --
>
> Jim Lytthans
> La Mirada Symphony Orchestra
> Claremont Symphonic Winds
> (http://www.galcit.caltech.edu/~dooley/csw.html)
> My home page:
> http://home.pacbell.net/lytthans/index.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 19:01:57 -0500
> From: deerich@-----.net
> Subject: Re: Hi everyone!
>
> Sandra Pope wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone!
> >
>
> Hi Sandi,
>
> Welcome to the list. Hope you have fun reading all the debates. It
> certainly is enlightening and gives a person plenty of food for thought.
>
> Dee Hays
> Canton, SD
> deerich@-----.net
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:07:41 -0700
> From: lauraruck@-----.com (Laura M Ruck)
> Subject: mouthpieces (yes, I said it)
>
> I am seriously considering buying a new Buffet R-13. I am a sophomore in
> high school. Anyway, I have a Rovner ligature and use Vandoren V-12 reeds
> or Grand Concert reeds. I have a $20 plastic mouthpiece and a B-45
> mouthpiece. I like the plastic one better. I find that the B-45 has a
> sort of stuffy sound that I don't like. Has anyone had a similar
> experience?
>
> I would appreciate any suggestions on other mouthpieces.
> Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Laura
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:50:33 -0400
> From: "David C. Blumberg" <reedman@-----.com>
> Subject: RE:Rhapsody in Blue Clarinets
>
> In high school, I was performing Rhapsody in blue, and right before the
> lush section, my C# (1st line below staff) spring broke - suddenly, my
> clarinet had a huge leak, and wouldn't play. I bent over, grabbed my A, and
> transposed the rest of the piece. Luckily, it was the last piece of the
> Concert (and festival), so I was lucky. Real, real glad that it didn't
> happen before I played the opening gliss.
>
> David C. Blumberg
>
> Mitch Wrote:
> Incidentally, I have always believed in the
> play-it-on-the-indicate-instrument doctrine, and the reason hit home
> clearly at a rehearsal last week. I showed up with both Bb and A clarinets
> to play 2nd clarinet in a rehearsal of Rhapsody in Blue. Now we all know
> that Gershwin (the composer) played this work as a solo piano piece and
> that the original instrumental scoring was for big band (saxes [doubling
> clarinet], trumpets, trombones, and rhythm section). So why should he have
> cared which clarinet I used? Well the orchestral arrangement is that of
> Ferde Grofe, and he really knew how to select instrumental tone colors.
>
> Anyway, when we got to the lush section that calls for clarinets in A on
> the first read-through, both the first clarinetist and I dutifully switched
> instruments. (There is a long rest to facilitate the switch.) Shortly after
> we had completed that passage and had switched back to our Bb clarinets to
> prepare for our next entrance, however, the conductor stopped the orchestra
> and restarted near the beginning of the passage that calls for the A
> (unlikely to happen in a concert). With no time to switch, we both
> tranposed the part on the Bb clarinet. Try it; it's easy to play on the Bb
> clarinet, but the color was all wrong. Completely wrong. It sounded like a
> different piece.
>
> I wonder if anyone outside of the clarinet section noticed or cared. But I
> did. And I promise, Dan, that I'll never play that passage on my Bb
> clarinet again.
>
> On the other hand, Grofe left the bass clarinet part in Bb during that same
> passage. Hmmm.
>
> - - --Mitch Bassman
> mbassman@-----.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:57:52 -0400
> From: "David C. Blumberg" <reedman@-----.com>
> Subject: Charles West the one and only
>
> He do be the one..
>
> From: SusiPontow@-----.com
> Subject: Re: Information Requested
>
> In a message dated 97-09-04 20:30:38 EDT, you write:
>
> << cwest@-----. West) >>
>
> I've been wondering about this for a while. Are you the same Charles West
> that made the CD "Treasures for Clarinet and Piano" with Susan Grace, or is
> your name just common?
>
> Susan
> SusiPontow@-----.com
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:29:26 -0400
> From: Doug Torrance <profzoom@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: plastic vs wood
>
> A lot of it's just based on what the player feels is better. To a
> listener, it may not be too much different.
>
> - --
> Doug Torrance
> profzoom@-----.net
> http://profzoom.home.ml.org
> (: Have a happy day! :)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:42:08 -0400
> From: Doug Torrance <profzoom@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: mouthpieces (yes, I said it)
>
> Mouthpieces are a very individual thing. Everyone has their own
> opinions about them. That's why there's so many different kinds out
> there!
>
> - --
> Doug Torrance
> profzoom@-----.net
> http://profzoom.home.ml.org
> (: Have a happy day! :)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:02:57 -0600 (MDT)
> From: lori lovato <clarinet@-----.edu>
> Subject: Re: ending the GreenLine plastic/composite thread
>
> On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Roger Garrett wrote:
>
> > Hey....I use a Robert Scott Barrel! In fact, I own three of them!
> > But...the sound is much different than a wooden barrel.....not quite as
> > brilliant.....but.....don't quote me as saying that it HAS to be because
> > of the material....PLEASE!!!
> >
> > Roger Garrett
>
> Didn't think i did! Lori
>
> > On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, lori lovato wrote:
> >
> > > Jonathan, interesting to note that my immediate thought after first trying
> > > a Robert Scott Barrel was, "wow, they should make clarinets out of this
> > > stuff!" Lori Lovato, SantaFe Sym.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 19:15:36 -0700
> From: Jim Lytthans <lytthans@-----.net>
> Subject: Pawn shop prices
>
> Mat Coill mused:
> <I was curious what the prices are like in pawn shops?>
>
> Matt,
>
> The shops in the Southern California area tend to be rather high in
> price, but they will deal. I guess a shrewd owner knows his prices,
> just to stay in business. The last instriment I purchased at a pawn
> shop in Anaheim was a nice Sterling Gemeinhardt low B flute, closed
> hole. The owner wanted nearly $300 for it, but after about 20 minutes
> of playing it, and complaining about "the leaks and bad pads" (there
> weren't any), I bought it for $225. So it does pay to haggle.
> Generally I find that pawns tend to set their prices at about 40-50% of
> a new horn. California is rich in pawn shops, because we are so
> bankrupt!
> - --
>
> Jim Lytthans "Primo Arundo Donax!"
> La Mirada Symphony Orchestra
> Claremont Symphonic Winds
> (http://www.galcit.caltech.edu/~dooley/csw.html)
> My home page:
> http://home.pacbell.net/lytthans/index.html
>
> ------------------------------
>
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