Klarinet Archive - Posting 000076.txt from 2012/01

From: Martin Marks <martymarks511@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Barrels
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 23:52:26 -0500

People who forget always make very flat entrances.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Walter Grabner <grabnerwg@-----.com> wrote:
> Great comments Dave. People really do forget how long it takes to warm
> up an instrument until it is stable pitch wise. For those of you
> trying out mouthpieces, it takes a cold mouthpiece awhile to warm up
> as well, before you really know what pitch level it is going to play
> at!
>
> Walter Grabner
> www.clarinetxpress.com
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:05 PM, David McClune <dmcclune@-----.edu> wrote:
>> I would like to clarify this discussion. =A0The traditional Vandoren mou=
thpieces were designed to play at 442 and the 13 series to play at 440. =A0=
The 13 chamber is more scooped out which provides the perceived warmer soun=
d.
>>
>> A research project about 20 years ago found that it took 22 minutes of p=
laying clarinet before it was warm =A0enough to have a stable pitch. =A0A c=
larinet is not "in tune" until that warm up time is complete. =A0THEN...we =
can tune with precision.
>>
>> Doubling in pit ensembles is a unique problem unto itself! =A0If I have =
to play a given instrument cold during the show, then I tune it cold to fig=
ure out where to pull/push the mouthpiece (sax) or barrel (clarinet). =A0Th=
at is where the shorter barrels come in handy.
>>
>> David
>>
>> Dr. David McClune
>> University Professor of Music
>> Union University-1862
>> 1050 Union University Drive
>> Jackson, TN 38305
>>
>> 731-661-5294
>> dmcclune@-----.edu
>>
>> www.mcclunemouthpiece.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Martin Marks [mailto:martymarks511@-----.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:29 AM
>> To: The Klarinet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Barrels
>>
>> Not only are they longer but in the quest for darker sounds the bores ha=
ve gotten larger and the new Vandoren 13 =A0Series are considerably flatter=
than the traditional Vandoren clarinet mouthpiecea. =A0The 13 Series Vando=
ren mouthpieces are supposed to tune to A440 but on a cold clarinet they wi=
ll often play very flat until the clarinet is warm.
>> This is of particular concern to doublers who often must play on cold in=
struments, thus the need for 64mm or sometimes even 63mm barrels even on ne=
wer clarinets
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 8:21 AM, Lelia Loban <lelialoban@-----.net> =
wrote:
>>> Nancy Buckman wrote,
>>>>It has been my experience that the mouthpiece will sometimes make a
>>>>huge
>>> difference in in pitch on different clarinets. >
>>>
>>> I'm an amateur and still emphatically denying that I collect
>>> clarinets, although I do seem to own, er, quite a few of them . . .
>>> and yes, I agree with Nancy that the mouthpiece can affect the pitch.
>>> The relative length of the mouthpiece to the barrel to the upper stack
>>> above the topmost keys has varied considerably over the decades and fro=
m one manufacturer to another.
>>> In general, I find that modern mouthpieces are longer than antique or
>>> old vintage mouthpieces, and consequently the newer beaks often make
>>> old clarinets play flat.
>>>
>>> Lelia Loban
>>> http://www.scoreexchange.com/search?composer=3DLoban
>>>
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