Klarinet Archive - Posting 000058.txt from 2012/01

From: Richard C Owens <richard.owens@-----.ca>
Subj: Re: [kl] Klarinet Digest, Vol 23, Issue 14
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:40:07 -0500


I have played with a Backun barrel for years. Durability seems to be no issue, and the sound is a huge improvement over the buffet standard issue.Richard

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> 1. Re: Midi Accompaniments are an art form (Gary Truesdail)
> 2. Re: Schoenberg Serenade (Nitai Levi)
> 3. Re: Midi Accompaniments are an art form (patten51@-----.com)
> 4. Re: Midi Accompaniments are an art form (Tom Puwalski)
> 5. sax list (Charles Levine)
> 6. Barrels (fred jacobowitz)
> 7. Re: Barrels (patten51@-----.com)
> 8. Re: Barrels (tedcasher@-----.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:11:10 -0800
> From: "Gary Truesdail" <gir@-----.net>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Midi Accompaniments are an art form
> To: "'The Klarinet Mailing List'" <klarinet@-----.com>
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> Emily would be proud of you.
>
> I sure like your sound. What is your set-up?
>
> Gary Truesdail
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Puwalski [mailto:tski1128@-----.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:02 PM
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List
> Subject: [kl] Midi Accompaniments are an art form
>
> Here is a version of Victor's tale. The entire orchestra is a midi rendition
> of the score. Each note was entered on a computer keyboard for pitch and
> rhythm, then the other "factors" were added volume, release and other stuff.
> This is such a pain staking process for the person who did this for me. It
> takes a long time to complete each project . I have been sent a new
> version of the orchestra tracks which were done using LA scoring strings,
> which sound even better than this version. I will be re-recording the
> clarinet with my new Backun clarinet when I get back from NAMM.
> Here is the thing I think is important to remember: We are on a
> technological continuum, music is being made with all kinds of technology.
> There are people who will create great music with the latest technology and
> there are people who will create great music with antique reproductions of
> original instruments. People will also generate complete crap with both
> also.
>
>
> Victor's Tale : Tom Puwalski, Leblanc by Backun Symphonie Bb Clarinet,
> Vandoren M30 mouthpiece, legere signature 3.5. Shure 300 ribbon mic, Apogee
> ensemble audio converter, apple Imac, Logic. the orchestra is various
> different sound libraries. Enjoy
> http://snd.sc/ycl2ad
>
> serve-music.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 22:28:08 -0800 (PST)
> From: Nitai Levi <clarnibass@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Schoenberg Serenade
> To: "klarinet@-----.com>
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> Thanks. I've tried that link and I can't see it (I get the error). I guess it's still under copyright here. Anotehr disadvantage of not being in Canada :)
> ?
> Thing is, it is pretty "simple", I need to see the part (or at least the score i.e. what I'll play) before I can decide whether I'll play it or not. So there is no real way to do that...?
> ?
> Thanks again
>
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:39:09 -0500
> From: "Clinton F. Nieweg" <proofferr@-----.net>
> Subject: [kl] Schoenberg Serenade
> To: <klarinet@-----.com>
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> In Canada with its Death + 50 years copyright a member may be able to access
> the IMSLP link for the score.
> http://imslp.org/wiki/Serenade,_Op.24_(Schoenberg,_Arnold)
>
> In the U.S. with a 1924 publication date the work is under copyright
> protection until 2020.???
> http://www.schoenbergmusic.com/opus/opus-24.htm?
> http://schoenberg.at/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=193&Itemid
> =368&lang=en
> Serenade for clarinet, bass clarinet, mandolin, guitar, violin, viola,
> 'cello and baritone/bass voice (in 4th movement).
> Publisher: Wilhelm Hansen, Denmark? C1924
> U.S. Agent: Shawnee Press/ G. Schirmer/ Hal Leonard sales agent
>
> Full Score for sale from any music dealer - Catalogue #:? WH18299? from
> $83.95? to $142.00.
> http://www.halleonard.com/product/viewproduct.do?itemid=14029029&lid=0&keywo
> rds=Serenade&composer=Schoenberg&publisher=&publishercode=&isbnean=&series=&
> voicing=&format=&pianolevel=&bandlevel=&
> This is a special import item. It may not be in stock in the U.S. but can be
> ordered on request by contacting a retailer of your choice. Price is subject
> to change. Additional shipping and handling charges apply.
>
> Parts no longer for sale from Hansen; now on rental from Schirmer Rental
> Dept, Chester NY.
> Printed copies, PDF's, scans or any other kind of reproduction are not legal
> for music protected by copyright.
> G. Schirmer, Inc. (http://www.schirmer.com)
> Schirmer materials are shipped six (6) weeks prior to performance.
> Rental Forms: http://www.schirmer.com/Default.aspx?tabId=2423
> Fee Quote Requests for Rental Works:
> http://www.schirmer.com/Site/Schirmer/ModuleData/HtmlModule/Docs/Quote-Reque
> st.pdf
>
> Study score [now POP] cataloged in 13 Academic libraries in Canada.
> http://www.worldcat.org/title/serenade-fur-klarinette-bassklarinette-mandoli
> ne-gitarre-geige-bratsche-violoncell-und-eine-tiefe-mannerstimme-iv-satz-son
> ett-von-petrarca-op-24/oclc/8313232&referer=brief_results?
>
> <http://www.worldcat.org/title/serenade-fur-klarinette-bassklarinette-mandol
> ine-gitarre-geige-bratsche-violoncell-und-eine-tiefe-mannerstimme-iv-satz-so
> nett-von-petrarca-op-24/oclc/8313232&referer=brief_results>?
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:44:42 -0500
> From: patten51@-----.com
> Subject: Re: [kl] Midi Accompaniments are an art form
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
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> Tom. Thanks for sharing your work.
> Not my favorite rendering of Amazing Grace, but your concert work is joyful and inspiring.
> G. Patten
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 15, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Gary Truesdail" <gir@-----.net> wrote:
>
> > Emily would be proud of you.
> >
> > I sure like your sound. What is your set-up?
> >
> > Gary Truesdail
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Puwalski [mailto:tski1128@-----.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:02 PM
> > To: The Klarinet Mailing List
> > Subject: [kl] Midi Accompaniments are an art form
> >
> > Here is a version of Victor's tale. The entire orchestra is a midi rendition
> > of the score. Each note was entered on a computer keyboard for pitch and
> > rhythm, then the other "factors" were added volume, release and other stuff.
> > This is such a pain staking process for the person who did this for me. It
> > takes a long time to complete each project . I have been sent a new
> > version of the orchestra tracks which were done using LA scoring strings,
> > which sound even better than this version. I will be re-recording the
> > clarinet with my new Backun clarinet when I get back from NAMM.
> > Here is the thing I think is important to remember: We are on a
> > technological continuum, music is being made with all kinds of technology.
> > There are people who will create great music with the latest technology and
> > there are people who will create great music with antique reproductions of
> > original instruments. People will also generate complete crap with both
> > also.
> >
> >
> > Victor's Tale : Tom Puwalski, Leblanc by Backun Symphonie Bb Clarinet,
> > Vandoren M30 mouthpiece, legere signature 3.5. Shure 300 ribbon mic, Apogee
> > ensemble audio converter, apple Imac, Logic. the orchestra is various
> > different sound libraries. Enjoy
> > http://snd.sc/ycl2ad
> >
> > serve-music.com
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:19:46 -0500
> From: Tom Puwalski <tski1128@-----.com>
> Subject: Re: [kl] Midi Accompaniments are an art form
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
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> The point of my posting " Victor's Tale", was to highlight how good midi accompaniments can be when someone takes the care get a "performance" out of them, instead of using midi playback, from Sebelius or any notation program. Those never sound very musical and can, at best, just let a composer hear if they have correct notes.
>
> Gary here are the particulars. Victor's Tale : Tom Puwalski, Leblanc by Backun Symphonie Bb Clarinet,
> >
> >> Vandoren M30 mouthpiece, legere signature 3.5. Shure 300 ribbon mic, Apogee
> >> ensemble audio converter, apple Imac, Logic. the orchestra is various
> >> different sound libraries. Enjoy
> >> http://snd.sc/ycl2ad
>
> Tom Puwalski
> On Jan 16, 2012, at 8:44 AM, patten51@-----.com wrote:
>
> > Tom. Thanks for sharing your work.
> > Not my favorite rendering of Amazing Grace, but your concert work is joyful and inspiring.
> > G. Patten
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 15, 2012, at 11:11 PM, "Gary Truesdail" <gir@-----.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Emily would be proud of you.
> >>
> >> I sure like your sound. What is your set-up?
> >>
> >> Gary Truesdail
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Tom Puwalski [mailto:tski1128@-----.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:02 PM
> >> To: The Klarinet Mailing List
> >> Subject: [kl] Midi Accompaniments are an art form
> >>
> >> Here is a version of Victor's tale. The entire orchestra is a midi rendition
> >> of the score. Each note was entered on a computer keyboard for pitch and
> >> rhythm, then the other "factors" were added volume, release and other stuff.
> >> This is such a pain staking process for the person who did this for me. It
> >> takes a long time to complete each project . I have been sent a new
> >> version of the orchestra tracks which were done using LA scoring strings,
> >> which sound even better than this version. I will be re-recording the
> >> clarinet with my new Backun clarinet when I get back from NAMM.
> >> Here is the thing I think is important to remember: We are on a
> >> technological continuum, music is being made with all kinds of technology.
> >> There are people who will create great music with the latest technology and
> >> there are people who will create great music with antique reproductions of
> >> original instruments. People will also generate complete crap with both
> >> also.
> >>
> >>
> >> Victor's Tale : Tom Puwalski, Leblanc by Backun Symphonie Bb Clarinet,
> >> Vandoren M30 mouthpiece, legere signature 3.5. Shure 300 ribbon mic, Apogee
> >> ensemble audio converter, apple Imac, Logic. the orchestra is various
> >> different sound libraries. Enjoy
> >> http://snd.sc/ycl2ad
> >>
> >> serve-music.com
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:58:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: Charles Levine <chardy5@-----.net>
> Subject: [kl] sax list
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> How does one get on the "sax list"?
> charlie levine
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:10:31 -0500
> From: fred jacobowitz <fbjacobo@-----.us>
> Subject: [kl] Barrels
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> Hello all,
>
> I gave my son an older Evette & Schaeffer Master Model clarinet. It
> has what I believe to be the original barrel, which turns out to be
> 65 mm. Strangely enough, it doesn't say on the barrel what length it
> is. In any case, the instrument is VERY flat. I put on a 64 mm barrel
> and it is still flat. So maybe someone can answer 3 questions for me:
> 1. How can a Buffet with a 64 mm barrel be flat?
> 2. Buffet makes an A barrel of 63 mm, but its Bb barrels start at 64
> mm. Anyone know why? (I guess it doesn't matter, as I remember doing
> experiments in college and finding that there didn't seem to be any
> noticeable difference between the A and Bb barrels, so I'll probably
> get the 63 mm one)
> 3. I see that Morrie Backun has barrels that don't have rings. Won't
> they be more prone to cracking? Has anyone had experience with them?
>
> Thanks all.
>
>
> Fred Jacobowitz
>
> CASE CLOSED Musical Instrument Case Repair Service
> Kol Haruach Klezmer Band
> Ebony and Ivory Duo
>
> You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same note.
> ~Doug Floyd
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 10:35:43 -0500
> From: patten51@-----.com
> Subject: Re: [kl] Barrels
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
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> I have a Clarke Fobes 64 mm barrel for my A clarinet. It has not cracked. And works on my Bflat horn as well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2012, at 10:10 AM, fred jacobowitz <fbjacobo@-----.us> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I gave my son an older Evette & Schaeffer Master Model clarinet. It
> > has what I believe to be the original barrel, which turns out to be
> > 65 mm. Strangely enough, it doesn't say on the barrel what length it
> > is. In any case, the instrument is VERY flat. I put on a 64 mm barrel
> > and it is still flat. So maybe someone can answer 3 questions for me:
> > 1. How can a Buffet with a 64 mm barrel be flat?
> > 2. Buffet makes an A barrel of 63 mm, but its Bb barrels start at 64
> > mm. Anyone know why? (I guess it doesn't matter, as I remember doing
> > experiments in college and finding that there didn't seem to be any
> > noticeable difference between the A and Bb barrels, so I'll probably
> > get the 63 mm one)
> > 3. I see that Morrie Backun has barrels that don't have rings. Won't
> > they be more prone to cracking? Has anyone had experience with them?
> >
> > Thanks all.
> >
> >
> > Fred Jacobowitz
> >
> > CASE CLOSED Musical Instrument Case Repair Service
> > Kol Haruach Klezmer Band
> > Ebony and Ivory Duo
> >
> > You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same note.
> > ~Doug Floyd
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:48:42 +0000 (UTC)
> From: tedcasher@-----.net
> Subject: Re: [kl] Barrels
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> Ted Casher here. I cannot recommend the Backun ringless barrels highly enough! I am using a 64mm red laminate wood on my carbon fiber Bliss clarinet and it makes the sound zing out and makes me play in tune. I have 2 of the laminate wood and 2 cocobolos---no problems! I was using them on my Selmer 10Gs---but my Selmer 10gs are now in the closet, since I bought the Bliss!
>
> My work is all jazz and klezmer. When I play shows, I take out the 10gs; otherwise I will overblow the section!
>
> Morrie makes them as short as 62mm. Call him up. You will enjoy!
>
> Good luck------Ted Casher
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: patten51@-----.com
> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:35:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [kl] Barrels
>
> I have a Clarke Fobes 64 mm barrel for my A clarinet. It has not cracked. And works on my Bflat horn as well.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2012, at 10:10 AM, fred jacobowitz <fbjacobo@-----.us> wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I gave my son an older Evette & Schaeffer Master Model clarinet. It
> > has what I believe to be the original barrel, which turns out to be
> > 65 mm. Strangely enough, it doesn't say on the barrel what length it
> > is. In any case, the instrument is VERY flat. I put on a 64 mm barrel
> > and it is still flat. So maybe someone can answer 3 questions for me:
> > 1. How can a Buffet with a 64 mm barrel be flat?
> > 2. Buffet makes an A barrel of 63 mm, but its Bb barrels start at 64
> > mm. Anyone know why? (I guess it doesn't matter, as I remember doing
> > experiments in college and finding that there didn't seem to be any
> > noticeable difference between the A and Bb barrels, so I'll probably
> > get the 63 mm one)
> > 3. I see that Morrie Backun has barrels that don't have rings. Won't
> > they be more prone to cracking? Has anyone had experience with them?
> >
> > Thanks all.
> >
> >
> > Fred Jacobowitz
> >
> > CASE CLOSED Musical Instrument Case Repair Service
> > Kol Haruach Klezmer Band
> > Ebony and Ivory Duo
> >
> > You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same note.
> > ~Doug Floyd
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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