Klarinet Archive - Posting 000031.txt from 2011/10

From: John Brophy <johnbrophy0@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] tremulo-need help
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:27:46 -0400

I'll agree with Roger; it's probably meant to be feather or flutter tongue.
It would have been a novel effect at the time of composition, 1878. Obtained
by pronouncing a rolling R -- and good luck with intonation! Still, it's a
fine piece, though at 10 mins a trial for modern attention span. Where can I
buy score and parts?

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Roger Hewitt <rogerclarinet@-----.uk>wrote:

> I have problems with that answer: violinists would NOT "bounce the bow",
> they would cause the bow to go up and down (looking a bit like shivering)
> with the bow in constant contact. Also, depending on the tempo of the
> piece, it would probably be impossible to tongue at the required speed and
> the original violinists would probably be unable to play exact 32nds (=
> demisemiquavers), but would just "vibrate" their bow as fast as possible.
> The only option is to tongue as fast as possible or feather-tongue.
> However, the arranger is generally at fault for expecting such things from
> clarinets. Quite often a conductor might choose to replace these passages
> with long notes, which might lose the effect but result in a more pleasing
> sound overall: again this would depend on the abilities of the players
> concerned.
>
>
> It is still called tremolo (or tremolando) on one note. The only exception
> is if the tempo is slow enough that exact demisemis are possible, in which
> case there is no problem! "Slow enough" is likely to be different for
> violins and clarinets, and indeed for percussionists, brass players and so
> on which all have different maximum speeds for tongueing/stick-work
> according to their skill.
>
> Roger Hewitt
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [kl] tremulo-need help
>
> If they only show one note with the slashes they are not tremolos.
> They are 32nd notes. I would tongue them. This is a string
> instrument effect. You're playing a transcription from a violin part.
> A violinist would bounce the bow.
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Shertzer, Howard (shertzhg)
> <SHERTZHG@-----.edu> wrote:
> > In a band piece called Universal Judgment, a Symphonic Poem by Camille De
> Nardis,
> > Transcribed by Antonio Cafarella, there are number of half notes that are
> written as tremulos (3 slashes in stem) in the
> > Clarinet parts.
> > What does a clarinet player (specifically an amateur clarinet player) do
> with that?
> >
> > Thanks for any help.
> > Howard
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