Klarinet Archive - Posting 000183.txt from 2011/08

From: "Keith Bowen" <keith.bowen@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Rant against a trend in pad work
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:03:19 -0400

Hi Alvin,

I'm curious - if you have a Mag machine, why do you not use it instead of
vacuum testing? I am sure the Moennig-style pads sealed extremely well, but
a low pressure test is closer to the playing situation. By the way, how did
the Lohff clarinet play in comparison with the Buffet?

It's correct that for these pads there is no shoulder to rest on the rim of
the key cup. The dimension of the pad is the inside of the cup. I by no
means wish to belittle your enormous experience, but isn't it true that the
shoulder of the pad cannot rest uniformly on the rim of the pad *after*
floating and alignment of the pad? Or do you adjust for parallelism by
mechanical alignment (bending) of the cup alone?

I've had no pad warping or deterioration on my basset horns after 7/8 years.
I don't know what Hasty or Gigliotti used, sorry.

Forest has already replied on the 'sheet' misunderstanding. Your opinion on
the real Valentino pads would be most interesting.

Keith Bowen

-----Original Message-----
From: sfdr@-----.com]
Sent: 19 August 2011 13:42
To: klarinet@-----.com
Subject: Re: [kl] Rant against a trend in pad work

Hi Keith,
I purchased my first Magnehelic testing machine in 1978 from Hugh cooper
and Bob Williams of the Detroit Symphony.
When I saw my former apprentice Wolfgang Lohff a few months ago, he showed
me a Buffter R-13 with the new pads
that he had invented. I was quite curious so I took a Moennig style cork
pad clarinet and plugged the finger holes and
lower tenon of the top joint with test tube corks. I used corks to eliminate
the finger pressure factor. I then took a Lohff
pad clarinet and plugged it in the same manner. When I tried to pull a soft
vacuum on the Lohff clarinet I got no suction
at all. However when I pulled a soft vacuum on the cork pad clarinet, the
vacuum lasted for 2 minutes.
I have never used Valentino pads because they remind me of paper dolls.
They come on a big sheet and you have to
punch them out. In the German-Moennig school of padding, the pad should
always rest on the rim of the the key cup for
support. The trouble with straight or trianglular shaped pads if that that
are only attached on the bottom surface so the
edges are left exposed and dangling. This exposed pad edge tends to curl
and warp over time.
Do you know what type of pads Anthony Gigliotti or Stanley Hasty used?
Just wondering?

Alvin Swiney

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