Klarinet Archive - Posting 000058.txt from 2011/07
From: Howard Braithwaite <h.braithwaite@-----.uk>
Subj: Re: [kl] Klarinet Digest, Vol 17, Issue 11
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 18:14:35 -0400
On the question of how long to stay with a given teacher, the answer is the=
same =
as how long is a piece of string. There can be no hard and fast rules and s=
ome =
pupils will remain forever loyal to one teacher. However, I guess it all de=
pends =
how far one wants that particular pupil to progress because they wish to pu=
rsue =
a career in music as a performer then one usually sees the best players bei=
ng =
taught by a number of pedagogues on the instrument. I believe Julian Bliss =
has =
had at least=A0 4 top teachers including Paul Harris, Sabine Mayer, =
Michael=A0=A0Collins and the Professor at Indiana University (whose name I =
can't =
remember - possibly Howard Klug?). If he needs them who are we mere mortals=
to =
argue?!
Howard Braithwaite (from the UK)
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=A0 1. Re: albert? (Tim Roberts)
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=A0 5. Re: Lessons (Kevin Fay)
=A0 6. Re: Lessons (Esposito, Stephanie)
=A0 7. Re: Lessons (Bob and Deborah Shaw)
=A0 8. Re: Lessons (Bob and Deborah Shaw)
=A0 9. Re: Lessons (Bob and Deborah Shaw)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:40:07 -0700
From: Tim Roberts <timr@-----.com>
Subject: Re: [kl] albert?
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Mikko Raasakka <mikkoraasakka@-----.com> wrote:
> Does anyone recognize the model of the clarinet shown here?
>
>https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=3D2&ik=3D5e87f981d9&view=3Datt&th=3D13117=
c93c250814c&attid=3D0.2&disp=3Dinline&zw
>w
>
> for me it looks like some kind of advanced Albert model clarinet with add=
ed
> low Eb.
>
> The photo is taken in the late 1930's an the man who holds the horn is Ma=
tti
> Rajula (1905-1944), the solo clarinet of the=A0 Finnish Radio Orchestra.
Unfortunately, you have posted a link to an attachment in your personal,
private mailbox.=A0 None of us can see this without knowing your email
password.=A0 You need to move this to some public web site.
-- =
Tim Roberts, timr@-----.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 13:41:16 -0500
From: bhausmann1@-----.net
Subject: Re: [kl] albert?
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Sounds like Oehler system to me, nearly universal in Germany, I suppose jus=
t =
because they don't want to use a French system.=A0 :-)
Bill Hausmann
If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO LOUD!
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 11, 2011, at 10:56 AM, Mikko Raasakka <mikkoraasakka@-----.com> wrot=
e:
> Dear colleagues!
> =
> Does anyone recognize the model of the clarinet shown here?
> =
>https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=3D2&ik=3D5e87f981d9&view=3Datt&th=3D13117=
c93c250814c&attid=3D0.2&disp=3Dinline&zw
>w
> =
> for me it looks like some kind of advanced Albert model clarinet with add=
ed
> low Eb.
> =
> The photo is taken in the late 1930's an the man who holds the horn is Ma=
tti
> Rajula (1905-1944), the solo clarinet of the=A0 Finnish Radio Orchestra.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:01:16 -0500
From: Bob and Deborah Shaw <theshaws10@-----.net>
Subject: [kl] Lessons
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I have a=A0 question:
=A0 How many years is too many to give a student lessons ( I know this is =
an open ended question)?=A0 If you start them in 7th grade, do you still =
have something to offer them in 12th grade?
The reason I ask this question is that the local high school director =
seems to think that one of his students needs to move on from taking =
lessons from me to the local college professor because I have been =
teaching her for so long.=A0 My question was, what is the problem if she =
sits well above the college directors students in both region and state =
bands and just plays great.=A0 He just thinks that after so many years I =
must not have anything to offer her.=A0 No other reason than his own =
formula or preconceived idea that a change is always good.
I have a Masters in Performance on clarinet and still perform on a =
regular basis.=A0 All of my students do very well.=A0 Someone just told him =
that students shouldn't stay with a teacher too long.=A0 By the way, my =
student and her parents have been very happy with lessons.
Thanks for any opinions or input.
Deborah
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:11:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: hns692@-----.com
Subject: Re: [kl] Lessons
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I'd at least let go some.=A0 Perhaps by steering the student to master clas=
ses =
that fall outside of (not beyond) your scope where they could pick up other =
professional clarinetist's tips on technique and have questions answered th=
at =
they had been afraid to ask you (and every clarinetist has his/her bad habi=
ts =
that tend to "clone" to their students).=A0 I would think knowledge of othe=
r =
professionals and their expertise might add to your student's steady growth=
, and =
you wouldn't necessarily have to give them up as students, either.=A0 Music =
students, I think, need the encouragement and room to explore.
Lee Ann Hansen
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From: Bob and Deborah Shaw <theshaws10@-----.net>
To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:01 pm
Subject: [kl] Lessons
I have a=A0 question:
=A0 How many years is too many to give a student lessons ( I know this is =
n open ended question)?=A0 If you start them in 7th grade, do you still =
ave something to offer them in 12th grade?
The reason I ask this question is that the local high school director =
eems to think that one of his students needs to move on from taking =
essons from me to the local college professor because I have been =
eaching her for so long.=A0 My question was, what is the problem if she =
its well above the college directors students in both region and state =
ands and just plays great.=A0 He just thinks that after so many years I =
ust not have anything to offer her.=A0 No other reason than his own =
ormula or preconceived idea that a change is always good.
I have a Masters in Performance on clarinet and still perform on a =
egular basis.=A0 All of my students do very well.=A0 Someone just told him =
hat students shouldn't stay with a teacher too long.=A0 By the way, my =
tudent and her parents have been very happy with lessons.
Thanks for any opinions or input.
eborah
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 12:13:26 -0700
From: "Kevin Fay" <kevin.fay.home@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] Lessons
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Deborah Shaw posted: =
<<<The . . . local high school director seems to think that one of his
students needs to move on from taking lessons from me to the local college
professor because I have been teaching her for so long.=A0 My question was,
what is the problem if she sits well above the college directors students in
both region and state bands and just plays great.=A0 He just thinks that af=
ter
so many years I must not have anything to offer her.=A0 No other reason than
his own formula or preconceived idea that a change is always good.>>>
First I'll ask a question - do you still have something to offer this
particular student?=A0 I suspect that the answer is yes, and that lessons
aren't spent listening to her practice, with you having nothing to say.
They seem to be working, no?
As far as the high school band director goes, some of them are very good.=
=A0 I
suspect that this is not one of them; a "formula" for "moving on" based on a
number of years is about as smart as insisting that *all* of the students
use a Vandoren B45, since that's what he heard was the best from back in his
college days.
In the words of one of my favorite 20th century philosophers, "what a
maroon."=A0 =
kjf =
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 15:30:15 -0400
From: "Esposito, Stephanie" <sesposit08@-----.edu>
Subject: Re: [kl] Lessons
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You will know as a teacher whether she is ready to move on.=A0 I moved on f=
rom
my high school teacher when my playing advanced past his.=A0 You don't have=
to
completely let her go, but it also won't hurt her if she went to see the
college professor every now and again.
I don't think this band director knows anything about you and as long as you
are still offering her advice that is improving her playing there is no
reason for her to leave you, but if SHE wants to see the college professor,
she should!=A0 There is absolutely nothing wrong with multiple opinions.=A0=
It's
her decision, not his.=A0 I always found that music in general is a learning
process that will happen forever and from ANY teacher.=A0 If you have a
Master's degree, you have PLENTY to offer a high school student AND college
student.=A0 I, personally would not let her go yet especially if she is sti=
ll
improving and happy with your teaching.
Good luck, I hope that helps!
Stephanie
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Bob and Deborah Shaw <theshaws10@-----.net>w=
rote:
> I have a=A0 question:
>
>=A0 How many years is too many to give a student lessons ( I know this is
> an open ended question)?=A0 If you start them in 7th grade, do you still
> have something to offer them in 12th grade?
>
> The reason I ask this question is that the local high school director
> seems to think that one of his students needs to move on from taking
> lessons from me to the local college professor because I have been
> teaching her for so long.=A0 My question was, what is the problem if she
> sits well above the college directors students in both region and state
> bands and just plays great.=A0 He just thinks that after so many years I
> must not have anything to offer her.=A0 No other reason than his own
> formula or preconceived idea that a change is always good.
>
> I have a Masters in Performance on clarinet and still perform on a
> regular basis.=A0 All of my students do very well.=A0 Someone just told h=
im
> that students shouldn't stay with a teacher too long.=A0 By the way, my
> student and her parents have been very happy with lessons.
>
> Thanks for any opinions or input.
>
>
> Deborah
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:38:01 -0500
From: Bob and Deborah Shaw <theshaws10@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] Lessons
To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
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On 7/11/2011 2:11 PM, hns692@-----.com wrote:
I encourage my students to listen to other clarinet players, attend any =
clarinet function that they can, etc.=A0 I would never try to keep =
students all to myself.=A0 Not a healthy idea for anyone.
> I'd at least let go some.=A0 Perhaps by steering the student to master cl=
asses =
>that fall outside of (not beyond) your scope where they could pick up othe=
r =
>professional clarinetist's tips on technique and have questions answered t=
hat =
>they had been afraid to ask you (and every clarinetist has his/her bad hab=
its =
>that tend to "clone" to their students).=A0 I would think knowledge of oth=
er =
>professionals and their expertise might add to your student's steady growt=
h, and =
>you wouldn't necessarily have to give them up as students, either.=A0 Musi=
c =
>students, I think, need the encouragement and room to explore.
>
> Lee Ann Hansen
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob and Deborah Shaw<theshaws10@-----.net>
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List<klarinet@-----.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2011 2:01 pm
> Subject: [kl] Lessons
>
>
> I have a=A0 question:
>=A0 =A0 How many years is too many to give a student lessons ( I know this=
is
> n open ended question)?=A0 If you start them in 7th grade, do you still
> ave something to offer them in 12th grade?
> The reason I ask this question is that the local high school director
> eems to think that one of his students needs to move on from taking
> essons from me to the local college professor because I have been
> eaching her for so long.=A0 My question was, what is the problem if she
> its well above the college directors students in both region and state
> ands and just plays great.=A0 He just thinks that after so many years I
> ust not have anything to offer her.=A0 No other reason than his own
> ormula or preconceived idea that a change is always good.
> I have a Masters in Performance on clarinet and still perform on a
> egular basis.=A0 All of my students do very well.=A0 Someone just told him
> hat students shouldn't stay with a teacher too long.=A0 By the way, my
> tudent and her parents have been very happy with lessons.
> Thanks for any opinions or input.
>
> eborah
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:41:03 -0500
From: Bob and Deborah Shaw <theshaws10@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] Lessons
To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
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On 7/11/2011 2:13 PM, Kevin Fay wrote:
>
> First I'll ask a question - do you still have something to offer this
> particular student?=A0 I suspect that the answer is yes, and that lessons
> aren't spent listening to her practice, with you having nothing to say.
> They seem to be working, no?
I believe that I still have a lot to offer this student.=A0 I never just =
listen to students practice, but, try to get them to think about how to =
solve problems, how to phrase, are there different ways to phrase this =
passage, etc.=A0 The worse thing to me would be to sit and drill scales =
and exercises and not work on music.=A0 The practice room at home is for =
scales.=A0 I do listen to them, but, just to check fingerings and monitor =
progress.=A0 I devote lessons to music, not notes.
> As far as the high school band director goes, some of them are very good.=
=A0 I
> suspect that this is not one of them; a "formula" for "moving on" based o=
n a
> number of years is about as smart as insisting that *all* of the students
> use a Vandoren B45, since that's what he heard was the best from back in =
his
> college days.
>
> In the words of one of my favorite 20th century philosophers, "what a
> maroon."=A0 :-P=A0 Thanks!
>
> kjf
>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:43:17 -0500
From: Bob and Deborah Shaw <theshaws10@-----.net>
Subject: Re: [kl] Lessons
To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
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Thanks for your comments.=A0 Her parents asked her if she wanted to take =
lessons from the college prof and she said no.=A0 Lessons are a complete =
joy with this young lady!
On 7/11/2011 2:30 PM, Esposito, Stephanie wrote:
> You will know as a teacher whether she is ready to move on.=A0 I moved on=
from
> my high school teacher when my playing advanced past his.=A0 You don't ha=
ve to
> completely let her go, but it also won't hurt her if she went to see the
> college professor every now and again.
>
> I don't think this band director knows anything about you and as long as =
you
> are still offering her advice that is improving her playing there is no
> reason for her to leave you, but if SHE wants to see the college professo=
r,
> she should!=A0 There is absolutely nothing wrong with multiple opinions.=
=A0 It's
> her decision, not his.=A0 I always found that music in general is a learn=
ing
> process that will happen forever and from ANY teacher.=A0 If you have a
> Master's degree, you have PLENTY to offer a high school student AND colle=
ge
> student.=A0 I, personally would not let her go yet especially if she is s=
till
> improving and happy with your teaching.
>
> Good luck, I hope that helps!
> Stephanie
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Bob and Deborah =
Shaw<theshaws10@-----.net>wrote:
>
>> I have a=A0 question:
>>
>>=A0 How many years is too many to give a student lessons ( I know this is
>> an open ended question)?=A0 If you start them in 7th grade, do you still
>> have something to offer them in 12th grade?
>>
>> The reason I ask this question is that the local high school director
>> seems to think that one of his students needs to move on from taking
>> lessons from me to the local college professor because I have been
>> teaching her for so long.=A0 My question was, what is the problem if she
>> sits well above the college directors students in both region and state
>> bands and just plays great.=A0 He just thinks that after so many years I
>> must not have anything to offer her.=A0 No other reason than his own
>> formula or preconceived idea that a change is always good.
>>
>> I have a Masters in Performance on clarinet and still perform on a
>> regular basis.=A0 All of my students do very well.=A0 Someone just told =
him
>> that students shouldn't stay with a teacher too long.=A0 By the way, my
>> student and her parents have been very happy with lessons.
>>
>> Thanks for any opinions or input.
>>
>>
>> Deborah
>> _______________________________________________
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