Klarinet Archive - Posting 000272.txt from 2011/06

From: hns692@-----.com
Subj: Re: [kl] Identifying mystery clarinet
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 00:59:37 -0400

Of the seven or eight clarinets that play in our group (Sousa Band), I
think the majority (five, probably) play on Selmers; the remainder play on
Buffets. One Greenline -- a fellow whose hands are a lot bigger than mine and
who's never commented about the feel or weight. We're all in tune with
each other and with the band (sounds preposterous, but we are in tune). I
agree with your comments, Dee. I think the measure of what instrument setup
one is using is whether or not it pleases the player and if it stays in
tune (or is easy to tune considering the conditions of the venue, etc.), not
the exact setup or instrument that's being used.

Lee Ann Hansen

In a message dated 6/27/2011 10:35:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
martymarks511@-----.com writes:

I agree with you. I've played some fine sounding plastic clarinets.
But try and convince a flutist with a gold flute that it doesn't sound
better than their silver flute. This is an argument that you can't
win. I would think that Greenline clarinets feel different than all
wood clarinets in the hands of the player so he imagines a darker
sound. If he recorded both instruments and listened to the recordings
the next day he probably couldn't tell the difference. This also
relates to mouthpieces.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Dee Flint <deeflint01@-----.net> wrote:
> I would have to see objectively measured spectrums that were from
> instruments identical in all geometric details. The few blind tests that
> exist simply don't support the "material difference" hypothesis for
> clarinets.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fred jacobowitz
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:57 PM
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [kl] Identifying mystery clarinet
>
> Dee, I think I must disagree on that. (see below). I tried out 11
> Buffet R-13 Geenlines and half a dozen wooden R-13s when I bought my
> last instrument, and the brightest Greenline (which is heavier than
> an R-13) was MUCH darker (sorry Dan Leeson) than the darkest wooden
> R-13. Density/weight DOES matter because the vibration inherent in
> the instrument that gives it a particular kind of sound . That's why
> gold flutes are considered mellower than silver ones, and why the
> newer, brighter saxophones have thinner metal than the old, mellow
> horns. I also believe that my crystal mouthpiece plays differently
> than rubber mouthpieces because crystal is so dense. It has fewer
> high frequencies (so it is less shrill) and low ones (so it doesn't
> sound as "woody" - it is a tradeoff ).
>
> Fred Jacobowitz
>
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> You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same note.
> ~Doug Floyd
>
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Dee Flint wrote:
>
>
>
> Material used to make the clarinet really makes no difference in the
> sound.
> It is the design, quality of construction, etc not the material that are
> significant.
>
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