Klarinet Archive - Posting 000270.txt from 2011/06
From: "Dee Flint" <deeflint01@-----.net>
Subj: Re: [kl] Identifying mystery clarinet
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:30:00 -0400
Yet the limited blind studies available show even educated listeners cannot
tell the difference if they do not know which is which.
Proof must be objective, measureable and repeatable. "I tried.." and "I
listened to others play..." evaluation methods are automatically biased by a
person's expectations when the person happens to know in advance which one
is being played. Anecdotal reports can only be used as a springboard to
instigate research. Such methods cannot be used as the actual research.
-----Original Message-----
From: fred jacobowitz
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 7:37 PM
To: The Klarinet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [kl] Identifying mystery clarinet
That's why I mentioned the fact that I tried R-13s made of both
materials. You know that your 'objectively measured spectra...'
business is not realistic, so don't hide behind that fig leaf. We
hear all the time about a scientific study that proves what people
have known all along (such as "moderation in all things is healthy").
As for materials, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck...
Fred Jacobowitz
CASE CLOSED Musical Instrument Case Repair Service
Kol Haruach Klezmer Band
Ebony and Ivory Duo
You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same note.
~Doug Floyd
On Jun 27, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Dee Flint wrote:
I would have to see objectively measured spectrums that were from
instruments identical in all geometric details. The few blind tests
that
exist simply don't support the "material difference" hypothesis for
clarinets.
-----Original Message-----
From: fred jacobowitz
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 4:57 PM
To: The Klarinet Mailing List
Subject: Re: [kl] Identifying mystery clarinet
Dee, I think I must disagree on that. (see below). I tried out 11
Buffet R-13 Geenlines and half a dozen wooden R-13s when I bought my
last instrument, and the brightest Greenline (which is heavier than
an R-13) was MUCH darker (sorry Dan Leeson) than the darkest wooden
R-13. Density/weight DOES matter because the vibration inherent in
the instrument that gives it a particular kind of sound . That's why
gold flutes are considered mellower than silver ones, and why the
newer, brighter saxophones have thinner metal than the old, mellow
horns. I also believe that my crystal mouthpiece plays differently
than rubber mouthpieces because crystal is so dense. It has fewer
high frequencies (so it is less shrill) and low ones (so it doesn't
sound as "woody" - it is a tradeoff ).
Fred Jacobowitz
CASE CLOSED Musical Instrument Case Repair Service
Kol Haruach Klezmer Band
Ebony and Ivory Duo
You don't get harmony when everybody sings the same note.
~Doug Floyd
On Jun 27, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Dee Flint wrote:
Material used to make the clarinet really makes no difference in the
sound.
It is the design, quality of construction, etc not the material that are
significant.
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