Klarinet Archive - Posting 000024.txt from 2011/06
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Subj: Re: [kl] Klarinet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 3
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:44:43 -0400
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> 1. Re: Klarinet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2 (Joshua Lipton)
> 2. Re: Klarinet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2 (Arthur Acheson)
> 3. Re: Klarinet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2 (Bill Hausmann)
> 4. Re: Klarinet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2 (Christophe ASTIER)
> 5. Re: Benny Goodman Clarinet (Christophe ASTIER)
> 6. Re: Benny Goodman Clarinet (corvo di bassetto)
> 7. Re: Benny Goodman Clarinet (hns692@-----.com)
> 8. Eb clarinet and biting ? (Randolf Keller)
> 9. Re: Eb clarinet and biting ? (Keith Bowen)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 14:55:02 -0400
>From: Joshua Lipton <jdl320@-----.com>
>Subject: Re: [kl] Klarinet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2
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>Yes, I wondered about that too, but in the accompanying photo of Mr. Goodman
>using it, you can see it is the same ligature. The ligature, like the
>mouthpiece, a matter of personal taste.
>
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:21:44 +0000
>> From: bhausmann1@-----.net
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Benny Goodman Clarinet
>> To: "klarinet@-----.com>
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>> One wonders why it comes with a alto sax ligature. (See description)
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 20:22:00 +0100
>From: Arthur Acheson <arthur.acheson@-----.com>
>Subject: Re: [kl] Klarinet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2
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>Is it really an Alto sax ligature? In many photos he is almost
>certainly using a Boosey and Hawkes (BH) ligature reversed.
>Arthur Acheson
>On 2 Jun 2011, at 19:55, Joshua Lipton wrote:
>
>Yes, I wondered about that too, but in the accompanying photo of Mr.
>Goodman
>using it, you can see it is the same ligature. The ligature, like the
>mouthpiece, a matter of personal taste.
>
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:21:44 +0000
>> From: bhausmann1@-----.net
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Benny Goodman Clarinet
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>> One wonders why it comes with a alto sax ligature. (See description)
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>Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 20:30:21 -0500
>From: "Bill Hausmann" <bhausmann1@-----.net>
>Subject: Re: [kl] Klarinet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2
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>Why else would D. Bonade stamp it "Al Sax?" Of course, it might well fit a
>B45, who knows?
>
>I have seen pictures of Goodman using several different ligatures, mostly
>standard types, including the B and H, placed in an inverted manner, usually
>off-center. Someone gave me one of those B and H's a couple of years ago --
>he thought it was funny since it had my initials on it!
>
>Bill Hausmann
>
>If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO LOUD!
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Arthur Acheson
>
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Klarinet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2
>>
>> Is it really an Alto sax ligature? In many photos he is almost
>> certainly using a Boosey and Hawkes (BH) ligature reversed.
>> Arthur Acheson
>> On 2 Jun 2011, at 19:55, Joshua Lipton wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I wondered about that too, but in the accompanying photo of Mr.
>> Goodman
>> using it, you can see it is the same ligature. The ligature, like the
>> mouthpiece, a matter of personal taste.
>>
>> >
>> > Message: 7
>> > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:21:44 +0000
>> > > > Subject: Re: [kl] Benny Goodman Clarinet
>> > To: "klarinet@-----.com>
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>> > One wonders why it comes with a alto sax ligature. (See description)
>> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 12:03:35 +0200
>From: "Christophe ASTIER" <christophe.astier@-----.fr>
>Subject: Re: [kl] Klarinet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2
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>Hi all,
>
>It also comes as a huge surprise (for me, at least) that BG was able to play
>a Series 1OS Selmer clarinet in the 30s,
>I thought this model only appeared in the 70s in the Selmer range... Any
>idea ?
>
>Christophe.
>
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Bill Hausmann" <bhausmann1@-----.net>
>Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 3:30 AM
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>> Why else would D. Bonade stamp it "Al Sax?" Of course, it might well fit
>> a
>> B45, who knows?
>>
>> I have seen pictures of Goodman using several different ligatures, mostly
>> standard types, including the B and H, placed in an inverted manner,
>> usually
>> off-center. Someone gave me one of those B and H's a couple of years
>> ago --
>> he thought it was funny since it had my initials on it!
>>
>> Bill Hausmann
>>
>> If you have to mic a saxophone, the rest of the band is TOO LOUD!
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Arthur Acheson
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [kl] Klarinet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 2
>>>
>>> Is it really an Alto sax ligature? In many photos he is almost
>>> certainly using a Boosey and Hawkes (BH) ligature reversed.
>>> Arthur Acheson
>>> On 2 Jun 2011, at 19:55, Joshua Lipton wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, I wondered about that too, but in the accompanying photo of Mr.
>>> Goodman
>>> using it, you can see it is the same ligature. The ligature, like the
>>> mouthpiece, a matter of personal taste.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Message: 7
>>> > Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2011 15:21:44 +0000
>>> > > > Subject: Re: [kl] Benny Goodman Clarinet
>>> > To: "klarinet@-----.com>
>>> > Message-ID:
>>> >
>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain
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>>> > One wonders why it comes with a alto sax ligature. (See description)
>>> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>> >
>>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 12:08:57 +0200
>From: "Christophe ASTIER" <christophe.astier@-----.fr>
>Subject: Re: [kl] Benny Goodman Clarinet
>To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
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>Sorry guys, I posted this message in the wrong thread, here it is, where it
>belongs (Benny Goodman clarinet)
>
>_____________________________________
>
>Hi all,
>
>It also comes as a huge surprise (for me, at least) that BG was able to play
>a Series 1OS Selmer clarinet in the 30s,
>I thought this model only appeared in the 70s in the Selmer range... Any
>idea ?
>
>Christophe.
>
>
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Joshua Lipton" <jdl320@-----.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 4:14 PM
>To: <klarinet@-----.com>
>Subject: [kl] Benny Goodman Clarinet
>
>> I notice in the June 17 book sale (of all places) at Sotheby's New York, a
>> clarinet owned and played by Goodman in the 30s. You can read about it in
>> their online catalogue:
>> http://www.sothebys.com/app/ecatalogue/fhtml/index.jsp?event_id=30587
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>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:11:09 +0200
>From: corvo di bassetto <rab@-----.de>
>Subject: Re: [kl] Benny Goodman Clarinet
>To: The Klarinet Mailing List <klarinet@-----.com>
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>Well, theses Sotheby's experts don't seem to be much of clarinet experts; "probably a replacement mouthpiece" made me aware that they have no idea what they are talking about.
>Might be the same people who evaluate violins or grand pianos.
>
>best
>danyel
>
>
>
>Am 03.06.2011 um 12:08 schrieb Christophe ASTIER:
>
>> Sorry guys, I posted this message in the wrong thread, here it is, where it
>> belongs (Benny Goodman clarinet)
>>
>> _____________________________________
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It also comes as a huge surprise (for me, at least) that BG was able to play
>> a Series 1OS Selmer clarinet in the 30s,
>> I thought this model only appeared in the 70s in the Selmer range... Any
>> idea ?
>>
>> Christophe.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Joshua Lipton" <jdl320@-----.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 4:14 PM
>> To: <klarinet@-----.com>
>> Subject: [kl] Benny Goodman Clarinet
>>
>>> I notice in the June 17 book sale (of all places) at Sotheby's New York, a
>>> clarinet owned and played by Goodman in the 30s. You can read about it in
>>> their online catalogue:
>>> http://www.sothebys.com/app/ecatalogue/fhtml/index.jsp?event_id=30587
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>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 07:29:50 EDT
>From: hns692@-----.com
>Subject: Re: [kl] Benny Goodman Clarinet
>To: klarinet@-----.com
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>I checked Goodman's date of death -- June 1986. I suspect the wrong
>information that Sotheby's is putting out is that he played it in the 30s.
>Unless, of course, it was a prototype 10S that was given to him by Selmer for
>use and critiquing before it went into production. That theory is probably
>a real stretch, though, given the 40-year span. I'd suggest the horn is
>one he used in his later playing years. The mouthpiece is probably also a
>specialty. One which was made to his specifications to use with the horn
>and from his favorite blank stock.
>
>Anyone for a go at calling Sothebys to clarify what they really have?
>There seems to be a fairly large disconnect between what they're professing to
>auction and what it really is.
>
>Lee Ann Hansen
>Eb/Bb Clarinet
>First John Philip Sousa Memorial Band
>
>
>
>In a message dated 6/3/2011 5:08:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
>christophe.astier@-----.fr writes:
>
>Sorry guys, I posted this message in the wrong thread, here it is, where
>it
>belongs (Benny Goodman clarinet)
>
>_____________________________________
>
>Hi all,
>
>It also comes as a huge surprise (for me, at least) that BG was able to
>play
>a Series 1OS Selmer clarinet in the 30s,
>I thought this model only appeared in the 70s in the Selmer range... Any
>idea ?
>
>Christophe.
>
>
>
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Joshua Lipton" <jdl320@-----.com>
>Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 4:14 PM
>To: <klarinet@-----.com>
>Subject: [kl] Benny Goodman Clarinet
>
>> I notice in the June 17 book sale (of all places) at Sotheby's New York,
>a
>> clarinet owned and played by Goodman in the 30s. You can read about it in
>> their online catalogue:
>> http://www.sothebys.com/app/ecatalogue/fhtml/index.jsp?event_id=30587
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>Message: 8
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 04:35:32 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Randolf Keller <randolfkeller@-----.com>
>Subject: [kl] Eb clarinet and biting ?
>To: "klarinet@-----.com>
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>A question to the Eb players on this list :
>
>
>Not talking about the lower and middle registers - I have no issue with biting in these areas.
>But is it actually possible to play in the upper registers which are so common for Eb clarinet in the more modern orchestra literature, without biting ?
>(and while trying to remain in tune...)
>
>
>Let's say Shostakovich, 5th Symphony,
>
>2nd mvt., passage from No. 69 or
>
>4th mvt., from No. 100
>
>or surely towards the end from No. 131.
>
>Another passage is Ravel, Daphnis et Chloe, No. 94 onwards.
>
>As much as I try to relax embouchure there, but in order to keep the pitch, I do not really see a way other than "strenghten" the embouchure to an extend that I would call "biting" with my Bb or A.
>
>
>I would be interested to hear the experiences of other players with these higher passages.
>
>/Randolf
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 12:53:53 +0100
>From: "Keith Bowen" <keith.bowen@-----.com>
>Subject: Re: [kl] Eb clarinet and biting ?
>To: "'The Klarinet Mailing List'" <klarinet@-----.com>
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>I too would be interested. The last time I played Shos 5, I tell the
>conductor at the afternoon rehearsal, for the last page: "You can have it
>now or you can have it tonight" ! find it needs a thin under lip and a firm
>pressure, pretty much indistinguishable from biting ....
>
>Keith
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Randolf Keller [mailto:randolfkeller@-----.com]
>Sent: 03 June 2011 12:36
>To: klarinet@-----.com
>Subject: [kl] Eb clarinet and biting ?
>
>A question to the Eb players on this list :
>
>
>Not talking about the lower and middle registers - I have no issue with
>biting in these areas.
>But is it actually possible to play in the upper registers which are so
>common for Eb clarinet in the more modern orchestra literature, without
>biting ?
>(and while trying to remain in tune...)
>
>
>Let's say Shostakovich, 5th Symphony,
>
>2nd mvt., passage from No. 69 or
>
>4th mvt., from No. 100
>
>or surely towards the end from No. 131.
>
>Another passage is Ravel, Daphnis et Chloe, No. 94 onwards.
>
>As much as I try to relax embouchure there, but in order to keep the pitch,
>I do not really see a way other than "strenghten" the embouchure to an
>extend that I would call "biting" with my Bb or A.
>
>
>I would be interested to hear the experiences of other players with these
>higher passages.
>
>/Randolf
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