Klarinet Archive - Posting 000282.txt from 2011/03

From: Randy Ratzlaff <rratzlaff@-----.com>
Subj: Re: [kl] Clarinet tremolo
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:21:47 -0400

Yep.....I am kinda the middle man here helping a coworker.

Being a clarinet player myself for many years..........I have yet to find any alternate fingerings to use.

So...........I thought I would see what the real clarinet experts say..........

I am appreciating the input.......

........well......back the band hall "laboratory"

On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:02 PM, Karl Krelove wrote:

> I don't know if you'll be able to find any combination of reachable trill
> keys to produce a D. Bb to C is easy but it uses the highest two trill vents
> on the clarinet, so I'm not sure you could get another step out of any keys
> that are left. I may try experimenting with it myself just to see if I can
> find anything. But a slow tremolo can be done using the two standard
> fingerings and just count on everyone in the section being out of phase with
> each other enough to make it sound faster. Or you could try to get the
> conductor to re-assign the notes in the texture so they're all being
> produced but in pairs that are more easily played back and forth. But I
> don't know the piece, so I don't know if that's practical.
>
> Karl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randy Ratzlaff [mailto:rratzlaff@-----.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 8:42 PM
> To: The Klarinet Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [kl] Clarinet tremolo
>
> It has been a busy day..........
>
> Oops.....yes, I meant third line B-flat to fourth line D.
>
> It comes from a wind symphony work called "Lux Aurumque" by Eric Whitacre.
>
> thanks for your time and input.....
>
> Randy
>
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2011, at 10:10 AM, Karl Krelove wrote:
>
>> Bb4 should be one note below the first leger line under the treble staff.
> D5
>> should be the fourth line of the treble staff. For those who read the
>> Clarinet BB, I'm using the reference graphic there to identify the
> octaves.
>> I'm not sure whether Randy meant those notes or not - Randy, maybe you can
>> either confirm these or describe which Bb and D you meant. In any case,
>> wherever the numbering system you use starts, Bb4 and D5 must be a tenth
>> apart, not a third.
>>
>> Sorry, I don't know of a smooth way to make a meaningful tremolo between
>> those two notes. If it's an orchestral part, I'd look at the other
> clarinet
>> part or even the flute parts and see if there's a more practical way to
>> reassign the notes in the harmony so that tremolo becomes more do-able. I
>> asked who the composer is mostly out of amazement that anyone would ask
> for
>> this interval to be played as a tremolo.
>>
>> Of course some of the other suggested solutions may well be correct if
> Randy
>> really meant two other notes than the ones I've identified with Bb4 and
> D5.
>> Bb5 (throat, third line) to D5 (fourth line), for instance, is more
>> approachable even with standard fingerings. Vann Turner's first fingering
>> works well for Bb6-D6 (I'm not so fond personally of his second one, but
> if
>> others can make it work...).
>>
>> Karl
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Vann Turner [mailto:vjoet@-----.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 10:07 AM
>> To: The Klarinet Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [kl] Clarinet tremolo
>>
>> If you are speaking of third line Bb and fourth line D:
>>
>> Keep your right hand fingers on the tone holes as you play the Bb, and
> play
>> it as a measured tremulo in triplets or 16ths, depending on the nature of
>> the piece.
>>
>> If you are speaking of Bb above the staff, you have 2 choices:
>>
>> 1. Play the Bb with the side trill key, and the D as an overblown G (on
> the
>> staff, that is, no keys depressed at all, not even thumb and register,
>> except you can keep the side trill key depressed throughout.
>> 2. Play the Bb xoo|xoo, and the D with regular fingering.
>>
>> Vann Joe
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Randy Ratzlaff" <rratzlaff@-----.com>
>> To: "The Klarinet Mailing List" <klarinet@-----.com>
>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:25 PM
>> Subject: [kl] Clarinet tremolo
>>
>>
>>> Greetings......
>>>
>>> I have a Bb clarinet part that calls for a tremolo between Bb 4 and D5
> on
>>
>>> the treble clef staff.
>>>
>>> Are there any alternate fingerings?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Randy
>>>
>>>
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